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OK, the 3.5 should be a good engine

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by shr133, Jan 29, 2015.

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  1. Apr 18, 2015 at 6:53 PM
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    you said something eliminated the need for forced induction?
     
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  2. Apr 18, 2015 at 6:54 PM
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    Miller cycle engine are atkinson cycle engine with a supercharger, so Yes it should be boost-able.
     
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  3. Apr 18, 2015 at 7:00 PM
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    No sir.

    That's a faux Atkinson cycle via VVT. A true atkinson cycle will have a different stroke length for the compression stroke vs the expansion stroke (not a difference in compression due to leaving the intake valve open). I am not aware of any commercially viable true atkinson cycle engines (but haven't engaged google fu to find them either).

    There really isn't any point to Port Injection in a VVt Atkinson cycle engine if you don't allow it to revert to otto cycle under load.

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  4. Apr 18, 2015 at 7:00 PM
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    so heres the question.... how fast could one make this thing?
     
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  5. Apr 18, 2015 at 7:12 PM
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  6. Apr 18, 2015 at 7:17 PM
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    then explain nascar trucks....
     
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  7. Apr 18, 2015 at 7:24 PM
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    you cud slam the Tacoma... so then its more fair...
     
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  8. Apr 18, 2015 at 7:30 PM
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    Yes and no. A faux Atkinson cycle engine delivers most of the efficiency of the original design w/o the associated vibration and weight issues. A Atkinson only (even a faux design) delivers optimum power over a relatively narrow band. Adding port injection allows the engine to shift back (partially) to Otto cycle under load, meaning effective displacement and power ratings will be improved.

    There is no other reason to include port injection on a faux Atkinson cycle.

    David
     
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  9. Apr 18, 2015 at 7:32 PM
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    yeah, but I could still take it to the drag strip.....
     
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  10. Apr 18, 2015 at 7:34 PM
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  11. Apr 18, 2015 at 7:36 PM
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    I'm probably not either. Been damn good trucks and I well satisfied with them (shotcomings noted and worked around where possible). Probably going fullsize for my next buy, but will check the Tacoma's out before I buy....

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  12. Apr 18, 2015 at 7:40 PM
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  13. Apr 18, 2015 at 7:44 PM
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    :rolleyes:
     
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  14. Apr 18, 2015 at 7:48 PM
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    No, I'm saying I posted that link an hour ago in support of my point of view in my discussion with Rock Lobster and you crop dusted this thread like you usually do.

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  15. Apr 18, 2015 at 7:50 PM
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    It couldn't be an Atkinson only, as it would have no power. Atkinson is efficient, but doesn't make much power, and with linkage, and 2 cranks (essentially), it would be too large for most applications. The "Atkinson" cycle folks are hearing about, is mimicked by the valves.
     
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    i misread your post

    OZ
     
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    soooo torspd and gadgets Tacomas aren't fast?
     
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  18. Apr 18, 2015 at 7:53 PM
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    No reason too, as the "Atkinson" cycle only happens at steady cruise. Once your in the throttle, you get normal DI performance.
     
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    Oz so rarely makes a mistake, shots have to be fired when an opportunity is presented....

    :D

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    sooo how efficient would the throttle be?
     
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