Oregon and Washington BS thread

Well honestly i would say a shotgun - they're cheap. And if a stranger ever hears you load the shotgun (pump action), their asses will be high tailing.

 

Fence off between the barn to your house, so even if they come up driveway, they can't get very far.

 

I'm completely supportive of arming yourself when confronted with a less than ideal situation. Hell, I carry when I venture out alone into the backcountry - we have winches and other recovery gear, a firearm is just another tool.

As with any tool - you NEED to know how to use it in order to be effective.

I'm not trying to be a dick, just asking an honest question.. Again, I'm 100% supportive of arming yourself; but it's much more than just pointing a gun at a "bad guy" and having him retreat in fear. Odds are, if someone is already strung out enough to do something irrational, they're probably fairly intent on killing you, too.

Drawing a firearm as a last ditch measure, when all other options have been exhausted.

Before you pull that trigger, you need be ready to live with the aftermath.

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Maybe an alarm system as well. Motion/vibration..

Not trying to sound omnipotent with any of this.. Just trying to offer some advice. Deciding to purchase and carry a firearm has been one of the hardest decisions of my life.

Good luck, I'm out.

 

Fine, gate + fence, or if you know your neighbor well enough, maybe the two of you agree on erecting gates and a fence for the both of you. As a side benefit, it increases property value

You are a little eager to John Wayne an issue. Your CWL trainer and any responsible person who carries is going to tell you that their sidearm is always a last resort. The guys who are eager to flash their piece and start blasting at the first sign of a perceived threat are the people who are most dangerous and likely to hurt the wrong people. Don't be that guy. I say this because I've known a few of 'those guys', one spent time in jail next to the guy he tried shooting (true story ), and the other guy I can't talk about in public areas. I don't want anyone here to have to face a mistake.

Even a justified shooting is going to face time in court. You need as much defense on your side at that point, so if you can prove that you did as much non-lethal persuasion as possible to avoid the conflict, it's going to make your argument much more compelling.
A gun also doesn't solve the issue. A gun doesn't help when you away, or when you are sleeping. A gun doesn't help if you if the other guy gets the jump on you, or if the other guy is so loaded on PCP that he's not going to stop after repeated shots. A gun gives you options, not necessarily always solutions (yes, I do agree/believe in having options).

-some security on the house is better than none. The harder it is to bug you, the less likely someone is going to bug you
-gates don't sleep, don't get scared, don't make mistakes, don't leave the house on a weekend. They don't require training or reloading.
-Gates rarely get stolen
-Gates never have to testify in court

don't put all your eggs in one basket with a gun or a gate, but make stepping stones. I'm saying the gate because it's a one-and-done. After that, get gun training to determine what you want, then get the gun. Maybe later get a really good outdoor light with a photocell. If you need more, add security cams.

I would put the skid last because it's going to require suspension upgrades beforehand or immediately after.

 

Great minds think alike..

Sorry I couldn't grab that wheel from Ben; had way too much stuff in the back of my rig. Next time!

That SAR stuff really sounds cool - unfortunately, there's no way I could ever commit to something like that, the way my schedule is.

 

I got a 16 ft panel gate at the beginning of my driveway. The benefit is my house isn't visible from the road. So if you hop the gate and come say hi and i dislike you, i can put you where no one will ever find you. Do it like the mexican cartels, fold you up in a large barrel (I have a few) and fill it with acid......

 

Oh, and shotgun vs. pistol:
-pistol for traveling
-shotgun for home

Both probably get the same accuracy, with the nod going to the shotgun. Distance is probably tradeoff? I dunno. Shotgun you can load with slugs or buckshot.
Shotguns are easy to use and hard to screw up. They are easy to aim and you can even have a chance with shooting from the hip.
Shotguns have incredibly huge damage output. I shot an RV door with heavy birdshot at about 10 feet (about your standard self defense distance), and it ripped a hole big enough to put my head through. It also did a pretty good job at trying to cave in.
Pumps are loud and have the intimidation factor.

 

What the fuck?? That's an easy way to go to jail for murder.
I don't care if he's on your property screaming I'm gonna kill you, if you shoot someone in your front yard from 50 yards away-- you're going to jail for a loooong time.

Someone who kills another person and doesn't "get in trouble" does it as a LAST RESORT effort to evade immediate (deadly) danger.

Do as others are telling you, get a gate first and foremost. That's my vote.

 

^^This.

My new Weatherby PA459 (pump):



Great for home defense and fun to target shoot.

It just sounds badass when chambering a shell. I ran a box through it when I first got it, and it doesn't have as much kick as other 12 gauges I've shot.

If someone's in my house, hopefully they will decide to leave at the sound of CHK-CHK!

I'd rather have this in hand in the dead of night than my Glock.

 

lol ya i hear ya, doesn't matter what they have, shotguns aren't fun at close range.
I use a Winchester (full scale)

 

A skid is fine but I'd probably get sliders first.
A pistol will be a small cost compared to ammo. Unless you're prepared to spend some time getting familiar with it and shoot a couple hundred rounds to verify its reliability, it's not effective for defense.
If you only plan to have one shotgun, you might want to get something that can also go hunting.

+1 for a gate.

 

Hey you Oregon guys, you need to set something up this weekend for this guy to go to TSF!

http://www.tacomaworld.com/forum/tr...ering-my-little-road-trip-15.html#post7617454

 

PORTLAND AREA
ANYONE WANA GO CHECK OUT A BIKE MOTOR FOR ME......

 

I am not debating gun as a last resort. Like was mentioned, somebody hearing the pump action shotgun is not likely to hang around for long, even if there is no shell being chambered. Installing a gate can be a colossal pain in the ass for me as it means open and close every time through unless I run power 500+ feet which would be a lot of trenching and expensive cabling. I also have other family (wife's side) over fairly often.

Guns are legal to take out and shoot at my place, and as several people here got to see, my property isn't necessarily the best for it, one of my cop neighbors has a nice little setup. I have been talking to my wife for over a year about getting a pistol, but as was pointed out, shotguns are cheaper, and there is a wider range of ammo (light bird shot to slugs) depending on what I want to get.

As for having to change my suspension due to a skid plate, Tall on told me it only weighs 80lbs. While it is definitely going to be front heavy, I would imagine that 80 lbs won't make any real impact, even spread over just the front axle.

 

.... it's mr. caps lock....

 

ITS MR DB

 

sorry but i don't have a drop bracket..... so where about in Portland will you be??

I'm only 20 min away. We can meet somewhere and...split a bagel

 

I LIKE BAGELS......

 

Blueberry with strawberry cream cheese.....

 

Oh gawd...get a room.