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performance chip

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by TPAP, Sep 9, 2010.

  1. Sep 9, 2010 at 7:53 PM
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    Anyone have any info on a performance chip? Are they available for 09 TRD Sport? If available, would you need exhaust and intake to get the most?
     
  2. Sep 9, 2010 at 8:31 PM
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    apr x-1 wins, ask gadget, he knows all about it!
     
  3. Sep 9, 2010 at 8:48 PM
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    Performance chip/flashes/tunes are more directed toward motors with forced induction, with our naturaly aspirated motors you won't see any large gains. With a chip you can tweak the timing and air/fuel ratio which result in minimal gains compared to a motor with a turbo or supercharger.
     
  4. Sep 9, 2010 at 9:23 PM
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    http://www.unichip.us/vehicle/vehicles/3508-2009-Toyota-Tacoma-40L

    http://www.jetchip.com/V_FORCE_PLUS.asp

    never tried any, maybe they suck...but saying there are no chips, flashes, or programmers available for 2nd gen is incorrect.
     
  5. Sep 10, 2010 at 9:07 AM
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    I don't suppose there's anything out there to get rid of the throttle-by-wire lag and RPM hangs?
     
  6. Sep 10, 2010 at 9:17 AM
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    Unfortunately they don't have one of those available for the 2005-2008 MTs.

    But anyway, from what I read, that thing just sends signals more frequently to the ECU or something. The way I understood it was basically it would decrease the lag, but wouldn't do anything to help the RPM hangs. Does that sound right?

    The price is high, but honestly, if it did make the throttle react more like a normal vehicle, I would buy one (if it was available).
     
  8. Sep 10, 2010 at 8:52 PM
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    The X-1 is an aftermarket piggy back unit that connects directly to the OEM ECU...you also have to install the cam gears (which are more aggressive than stock) and the colder thermostat...

    I am N/A and it made a big difference in throttle control...:D

    its also self tuning but you can do data logs send those to APR and/or Gadget from URD and they'll tweak the tune even more to better compliment your current performance mods...
     
  9. Sep 10, 2010 at 9:10 PM
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    it is a tuner...so technically you can program your tunes...the X-1 is made to work parallel with your existing factory ECU...why would you want any other programmer/chip when the X-1 is specifically made for the 1GR-FE motor and has been proven time and time again?

    if you want full replacement I suggest going with Halltech...but it won't be plug and play and there be tones of wire splicing involved...but Halltech EMS (Engine Management Systems) don't make 1 for our 1GR-FE motor...it would cost you a lot more than the X-1...the only way to run a Halltech system is to get their E6GMX but that would still include a lot of wire splicing...
     
  10. Sep 10, 2010 at 9:34 PM
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    but having the X-1 which constantly monitors everything is even better...not only that you can adjust tunes just by using a jump drive (that is provided with the X-1 kit) but any jump drive will do as long as the file is correctly named...

    the X-1 also allows you to connect your laptop directly to the X-1, monitor real time data and diagnose the data log for better tuning capabilities...

    what more do you really want?
     
  11. Sep 10, 2010 at 9:52 PM
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    no I do understand you but your telling the OP about something that doesn't exist for our vehicle...so why would you keep telling him that there isn't any chip/programmer when that's exactly what the X-1 is? especially if it was purposely built strictly for our motor and ECU (1GR-FE '05-'08 Tacoma, 4Runner, and FJ). that's what I'm not getting...

    the X-1 is the best bang for its buck and has proven itself time and time again...

    yes the OBD2 tuner units are cheaper and more convenient but it doesn't have the capabilities that the X-1 has...he may not be mechanically savy but the hardest part of the X-1 install is making sure the cam gears are setup properly (other have done the short cut route, but for me I felt more at ease just doing it the long way since there's less chance of screwing up the install)...
     
  12. Sep 11, 2010 at 7:30 AM
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    I know the difference between Stand Alone EMS, Chips, and Piggybacks...but know this once you flash the OEM ECU you cannot flash it back to stock settings...not even Toyota can do that...you would have to fork out $$$$ in the thousands for a new OEM ECU...

    at least with the X-1 you can flash it as many times as you want...and when you decide to sell the truck and part it out you can pull the x-1 without worrying about the OEM ECU cause the settings are still in stock...

    I really don't understand why you are so adamant about have a OBD2 Programmer when there isn't 1 available and no other company including Superchips and Jet Performance are willing to make 1 for our platform...another thing to keep in mind is that every time you add a new performance part in the past you had to send the Superchip and/or Jet performance PROGRAMMER and/or CHIP back to them so that they can alter the tune...I believe now days you can just email them your current tune and they will alter it for your specifications and email you the new file, upload it to the PROGRAMMER/CHIP and flash the ECU...

    With CHIPS a lot of times you need to either solder the connections to the OEM ECU or splice wiring...if your not familiar with electronics let alone computers you can very well fry the entire wiring harness, ECU, and CHIP by making the wrong connections...

    needless to say this is a waste of time talking about products that do not exist for our platform...if you know everything about Tuning and Programmers why have you not convinced companies like JET and Superchips to make you a OBD2 PROGRAMMER? or better yet why have you not taken the step forward and made your own stand alone EMS?

    personally I would rather have a piggyback unit "aka X-1" that not only allows me to tune my vehicle to my own specifications but also gives me real time data and constantly monitors the entire system...none of those OBD2 Programmers and Chips have a built in EG (Engine Guaradian) to protect your engine and performance parts...

    if you look at the link I provided below it shows the difference between X-1, SplitSecond, Unichip, and MAP-ECU2 (<-click for link) you can clearly see that the X-1 can do just as much as a stand alone EMS...what more do you want???
     
  13. Sep 11, 2010 at 12:16 PM
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    1st off you said "The ones available for other vehicles do in fact save the stock tune in the hand held programmer" when in reality Toyota's ECU CANNOT be flashed back to stock settings once they are re-flashed (especially for TRD S/C, throttle/brake Flash) why do you think there are members out there that have had their ECU fried or don't work cause of the flash and are unable to drive their trucks until that dealership buys them a new ECU and/or Toyota/TRD comes out with a re-flash that works with the TRD S/C? while it may work to flash other vehicles back and forth between stock settings Toyota's ECU just doesn't work like that...and they designed it that way for a reason...

    2nd you said "To me a tuner is something you plug in to the OBD 2 port and download a tune." which is YOUR OPINION but a lot of people who actually build software/hardware that allows you to tune vehicles will tell you that OBD2 Programmers, Chipsets, and Piggyback units are all still considered Tuner Units cause it alters the settings from the original stock settings by looking at different parameters and adjusting them to your needs...

    I was just stating that the X-1 was best bang for your buck...take it or leave it I don't make any money from APR by selling more units...was just trying to show you the different things that the X-1 can do when comparing it to other units out there...

    go ahead and "sky write it about your house if you would like" it would be a waste of your time and money and everyone would look up and laugh cause you can't even spell correctly...its ABOVE not above...lol learn some ENGLISH GRAMMAR before you start acting like you know everything...

    and seeing as it says "Caution!!!! Opinionated Asshole" right under your user namer, which means nothing you say is logical unless you got physical proof to me and everyone here...like it clearly state that's your opinion...
     
  14. Sep 11, 2010 at 1:15 PM
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    its ABOVE not about cause you know nothing about my house or even know where i live other than location...lol

    I only said that to release tension guy...and only to the 1 word and nothing else...take it ez...:rolleyes:

    dealer scan tools never came up in the discussion...I clearly stated that not all OEM ECU once flashed to a certain settings cannot be flashed back to stock settings and it just so happens to include Toyota ECU...that's how they designed it...

    I don't buy cheap crap...I got the X-1...while I may not be an expert on it I'm still learning more and more about it...and planning on pushing the limits as long as I got the $$$ to do it...

    but don't forget you even thought the X-1 was a stand alone until I corrected you...this is the main reason why I go to XR-Underground.com...because they have a sports truck (that shares the same 1GR-FE motor and transmission: 6 speed) that we do...they are more geared for performance products and there are a few members who like to keep pushing the boundaries to the limit on their XR...that's where most of my knowledge about the X-1 comes from...

    once again...that's your OPINION...once again that was a joke...learn a little sarcasm online...I know its hard to read others emotions/gestures cause its the internet...but it was merely a joke...
     
  15. Oct 30, 2010 at 9:39 AM
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    Well the search definitely helped me with concerns on a stand alone ems for the Tacoma's, lol. So the X-1 is going to be the best that's available i'm assuming.
     
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    Hey guys,

    I am reseaching the X1 but it doesn't look like the company has any more available. Someone told me that another guy scored a used one from gadget. This looks like what I am looking for but if this company isn't gonna be in business long it isn't worth it for me to buy one and waste my money. Can anyone put some light on this?

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    Hey, how do I get ahold of gadget to talk him up about the apr X1?

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    Anyone know how to reach gadget by email? I have some questions about the X1 and the next generation stuff that I read is coming out. Someone on newhilux.net said that APR Power is going to start selling the X1 again, or somthing like that in about 4 weeks...anyone else hear that? I've been waiting on this thing and reseaching whether this puppy really does its thing :)

    How long has APR been selling this thing? Is it warranteed?

    I have a brother-in-law is socal that wants to buy the X1 too and I read that someone named scott or maybe it was gadget, helped a guy tune the thing...by bro is going to need some help getting the thing installed and right...anyone know if that is still an option? I want to hook my bro up with whoever got their ride taken care of down there to see their system.

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