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Please help with ideas to take off shutter??

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by Clzay, Oct 15, 2011.

  1. Oct 15, 2011 at 12:55 PM
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    Hello everyone, I have an 2010 DC Prerunner an just installed Camburg spindles an All pro's 3" rear leafs... Im getting take off shutter till about 20mph. I've tried 2 1/2 degree shims an 4 degree shims, as well as dropping the carrier bearing from 1/4 inch to 1 1/2 inches with no change :( So my question is what else may be causing this to happen, so I can fix the take off shutter??
     
  2. Oct 15, 2011 at 2:12 PM
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    Please any ideas people... tranny bearing/seal issues, something wore out causing this problem maybe?? There's got to be a solution... I just need ideas of where to go from here?
     
  3. Oct 15, 2011 at 2:20 PM
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    You have an extremely common problem here. My stock truck does it too, but not up to 20MPH.

    Lots of people have tried shims, carrier bearing drops, etc with varied success. Each truck seems to be different.

    Then only thing that seems to be a guarenteed fix is to go to a one piece driveshaft. Search for one piece driveshaft on here and you should find what you need.
     
  4. Oct 15, 2011 at 9:27 PM
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    I'm good with doing I one piece driveshaft if will fix my problem...? I just want to make sure it's not something else before I spend dollars on a driveline
     
  5. Oct 15, 2011 at 9:28 PM
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    are the shims installed facing the correct way?
     
  6. Oct 15, 2011 at 11:25 PM
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    Yes the thin side of the shim is facing toward the front. I just don't understand how there is not a straight forward fix to this so common Problem??
     
  7. Oct 16, 2011 at 3:45 PM
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  8. Oct 17, 2011 at 8:23 AM
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    no thank-you... So you who have All Pro leafs in the rear what are you people doing to fix the issue??
     
  9. Oct 17, 2011 at 8:28 AM
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    So far, a one-piece driveshaft is the best solution I've seen.

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  10. Oct 17, 2011 at 8:32 AM
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  11. Oct 17, 2011 at 12:29 PM
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    Looks like thats what i'm going have to do, is running a one piece driveshaft going to be ok on a prerunner?
     
  12. Oct 17, 2011 at 12:36 PM
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    It will be fine, but from what I have read, it will need to be custom-made.

    Go get yourself a nice cup of coffee and do a search for "solid driveshaft" or "one-piece driveshaft". You'll have plenty of reading to do. :D

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    It's not simple because it's a complex system with lots of variables.
    So you can't just try things at random. You need to understand the nature of the problem, take measurements, and apply a measured fix. Even if you go one-piece, you have to shim your pinion angle correctly to minimize vibration.

    Read this: http://www.4crawler.com/4x4/CheapTricks/Driveline-101.shtml

    Now, as far as shims direction goes: "Correct" is an interesting term.

    Toytec will tell you to put the shims in "fat back" which points the pinion towards the transfer case.

    Thing is, we're not using CV (double cardan) driveshafts, we're using single cardan driveshafts. And for a single cardan shaft, you want the flanges to be exactly parallel. How do you get them parallel? Measure, calculate, and shim to correct. But to bring them to parallel, after a 3" lift, you'll almost inevitably end up shimming "fat forward."

    I ended up using 2 degree shims, "fat forward" to get my minimal amount of driveline vibration. Am I telling you to use 2 degree shims? I am not. I'm telling you to measure. Check the link to my OME suspension install thread to see how I measured and calculated the 2 degree shims I used. But the best info is on the 4crawler page I linked above.
     
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    It's the drive shaft. Get it repaired by a good drive shaft company or rebuilt. Simply out of balance and it's magnified with lift
     
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    Wow thanks that's a lot of interesting info, I'm not sure i can find a tool to measure the angles or do i have the correct knowledge to get it right. I can not believe you ran your shims backwards to get the right angle, that just makes no sense to me?
     
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    What you call "backwards" is the angle that made the driveline flanges parallel.

    At this point, perhaps the best advice is to go to a driveline shop and have them diagnose and correct the problem.
     
  18. Oct 17, 2011 at 1:16 PM
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    I'm not trying to put you down, but a driveline shop has angle measurement tools, a shaft balancer, and expertise to use them.
     
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    FWIW, this is what I would do if I were in this situation.

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    make sure with the Prerunner how much pull your putting on your carrier bearing as our driveshafts have no slip yoke so too much lift will pull the carrier bearing apart

    had the same setup for a couple of years and didnt have bad vibes at takeoff, but after adding some 1.5" lift blocks i yanked my carrier bearing apart and talk about vibes, haha

    check my build towards the end to check out what i did to my driveshaft
     
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