Positive camber on stock OR

Yes, old thread, but a 8' putt 1 degree off will miss the hole. 50% make in the PGA, they aren't guessing - it's harder to hold the face angle than to see it.

I can see 1 degree of camber. Not too difficult. Can I say 100% it's one or two degrees, no, but easy to see when you're looking at 0 on the back, or two degrees when looking from the front at opposing tires that each have 1 degree of positive camber.

1 degree is 0.0175 per inch. 0.0175 X 32 = 0.560 inch

 

Haaa, no you can't. You simply cannot eyeball an alignment. It is not possible. I know you want to believe you have xray eyes, but you are not superman.

 

Before I lifted my OR did not notice any positive chamber. Once I lifted I did. Installed SPC’s once lifted these trucks need custom alignments not factory spec alignments IMO.

 

That is a solid alignment. I am not a fan of the lower caster spec that Toyota has. 3-4 degrees is better in terms of tracking. I'm guessing the Toyota engineers liked the lower caster spec because it puts less stress on your suspension components.

 

Alignment is a static measurement; your wheels toe out to zero when driven.
Since it toes out/rotates around the SAI, a zero camber alignment, will go negative when driven. If you changed wheel offset(adding positive scrub radius), the effect is even more pronounced.

Other reasons positive camber is beneficial...
-turning ease
-stabilizing effect
-more load on inner bearings rather than outer

Not saying you didn't have excessive positive camber...just saying, there are legitimate reasons camber spec is +0.5

 

You're missing the point. Nobody said they could eyeball alignment, but if you can't see a half inch over a 32 inch length you must be vision impaired.

 

You can't see it. That is the point. It has nothing to do with your eyesiYou have no reference point to see what is the true center and your half inch is really more like 1/4 inch since the hub is the center point. Not to mention that you have absolutely no way knowing how much bind you may be seeing as it sits on pavement. It is absolutely pointless to try to think you can eyeball an alignment. It is even more pointless to even discuss because in terms of ride, tire wear, etc. camber has virtually no impact. Toe and Caster are the important angles.

 

reference point is the back wheel and/or the ground. and it's a half inch - you can see the top and bottom of the tire. double it when you see both front tires. and again with the straw man...

 

So you are telling me that you get behind your truck, close one eye, squint real hard and you are going to spot a 1/4" from 15 feet? That doesn't even consider that fact that you would need your wheels perfectly straight and you still have no way to free any bind. Further to that point you are trying to reference curved tires. How are you able to visualize any lateral runout of the wheels, let alone the tires. Alignment machines don't measure from tires because you don't have a straight line to measure from, but you are telling me that your naked eye does? You realize how impossible that is? I know you want to believe, but it just isn't possible. Science simply doesn't support you theory.

 

1/2 inch. I can see the entire wheel. And yes I can see it. Why do you think people ask about positive camber so much on this forum? Just because you can't see it or don't trust your lying eyes doesn't mean it isn't true. You must be a terrible carpenter/fabricator. Golfers can see 1 degree on a 4 inch blade. 1 degree on a 32 inch surface is obvious. May not be able to quantify it, but many people can see it. You haven't quoted any scientific data so I wouldn't use that point if I were you.

My observation was confirmed with an alignment.

 

I agree with you completely. I can see my positive camber as well. Some people have a lot more attention to detail than others

 

I really don't know why you are arguing. No scientific data? What are you talking about? Everything I have stated is supported by data. The facts are the facts. Your only science is that you swear your eyes have scales that are measured in degrees? Humor me and tell me how you are seeing a 8-9" wheel when it has a 11.50 to 12.50" tire on it. Using your flawed logic shops are wasting thousands buying precisions measuring equipment when they could just hire you with your superman x-ray vision. When you have spend time under an alignment rack, feel free to come back and tell me that you still think you can eyeball your alignments.

Just explain this to me. How are you accounting for suspension biding with your naked eye analysis?

 

Just because your vision and attention to detail suck, it doesn’t mean everyone else’s does as well.

 

Haaa, sadly you can't support your position so you resort to insults. Have a nice day Jeff!

 

I’m having a great day, thanks brah

 

You keep using that word science, but I don't think that word means what you think it means. I went back and checked this thread. I didn't see you offer any 'science', only your strongly held opinion and anecdotes.

I didn't see anyone say they can do an alignment by eye (a string, chalk, and tape measure maybe), but you keep asserting people you disagree with are saying they can. They are not so you're using a strawman argument to try to 'win'.

Think about it this way, if you will, an 80 inch door in your home was installed with the hinge side of the frame at 0 degrees. But the latch side of the frame off 1 degree. You close the door, but the top (or bottom) of the door is off the latch side of the frame by approximately 1.4 inches. Can you see 1 degree staring you in the face now? (80 inch door (radius) = 502 inch circumference. 502 inch circumference divided by 360 degrees = ~1.4 inches per degree). I sure hope you can see that 1.4 inches or you aren't working on my truck. Do you think you have to look at the entire door to see that misalignment or do you think you could see that in less than the full 80 inches of the door?

Many of these Tacomas have visible positive camber (when parked, or static, if that makes you feel better). I am not saying that is a problem, just an observation I was looking into. My 2009 did not have visible positive camber, but this one does, my 76 CJ did. That was my observation, but it was backed up by an alignment check. If it came in at 0 or negative my observation would have been wrong and I wouldn't be discussing this. I'm not saying I knew how far it was off zero, but I knew it had positive camber. Since it's there it's not an optical illusion - it's real.

Early Jeep CJs with D30s had 1.5 degrees of positive camber (to help with the lack of power steering) and it was obvious to most people with the stock 28 inch tire.


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Take it to facebook ladies ^

 

Is it weird to have 3 camber cams near zero and one quite a bit different. I have never messed with anything regarding alignment before and I was under my truck wire brushing and painting some tiny rust spots and noticed. Sorry I'm totally ignorant on this subject.