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  1. Mar 12, 2018 at 10:33 AM
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    Changed it. Comes under $250 now....
     
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    Well, I just installed the speakers in the original post in my son's 2015. But, I went a good bit further than the original post. I also added Kicker tweeters (Subaru tweeters won't work in 2015s) and 2 10" Kicker subs with a Alpine MRV-F300 amp driving the doors and a Alpine MRV-M500 amp driving the subs.
    Wow...the clarity of these speakers is amazing when you add a little power. The whole set-up sounds great and my 18yr old son is very happy.
     
  3. Mar 12, 2018 at 5:48 PM
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    Tweets are in, easy peasy -- but you do want to remove the A-pillar trim like in the video in the first post, at least on the 2018 models. There is a tab that slips under the edge of it.

    Using an interwebs calculator I found, it says that 2.2uF capacitor on the stock tweeters (mine say the same) would put it at 18 KHz cutoff. That means they are really only effective from 18 to 20 KHz (or higher, but most humans can't hear those frequencies), so not really a lot of range there! They probably would sound better with a different cap, but the speaker design is also significantly different than the Kicker replacements. Sounded much improved sitting in the driveway, but I need to drive around a bit for a full evaluation.

    If the 68 that is printed on the Subie caps is actual uF, that would put its cutoff at 585 Hz. That seems kind of low for a tweeter, but they sound better to me so far. I can see how they might start distorting at really high volumes, though.

    I think ToyoDrew was right, though -- now mids and lows stand out as a just a bit muddy and off. I went ahead and ordered some door speakers, went with the JBL GT7 series since they have the highest sensitivity, lowest wattage, and were on sale. Same price as the Kickers. I used them on the wife's old 4Runner (or maybe it was GT6 series then), and they are still going strong. I threw in some bass blockers for the rear speakers based on some reviews, seems the lower frequencies cause distortion at higher volumes. I may or may not use them, they are only 8 bucks.
     
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  4. Mar 12, 2018 at 6:25 PM
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    Yeah, these Subaru cap numbers don't make much sense. 585 Hz is gonna be a good bit lower than Fs although that data's not published that I can find. Best I can tell that's a 19mm metal dome. Fs will likely be around 2 kHz. I'd have a 6 uF cap on it for a 4 ohm driver if I wanted it to last. 12 uF for a 2 ohm driver. 68 uF is a reasonably big cap though - especially to stick on a tweeter. It would make the tweeter pretty awkward actually.

    The stock cap makes a bit more sense. I'm not sure what impedance these drivers are, but something around 8k wouldn't sound too far off. Of course the woofer isn't playing anywhere near that high - probably one reason why the stock stuff sounds like garbage. I doubt that tweeter plays much past 16k. If that's the case, this tweeter is playing <1 octave. No wonder it sounds like it's not doing anything. It's not.

    Food for thought

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  5. Mar 13, 2018 at 11:02 AM
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    I used JBLs: GT7-96 & GT7-6

    https://www.crutchfield.com/p_109JBLG796/JBL-GT7-96.html?tp=91

    https://www.crutchfield.com/p_109JBLG76/JBL-GT7-6.html?tp=94

    https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/easy-tweeter-upgrade-3rd-gen-non-jbl.478318/page-8#post-15760180
     
  6. Mar 13, 2018 at 11:35 AM
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    That's what I ordered. If it is too tweetery for me, I may just put them in my wife's 4Runner, get the component set and only install the woofer. She's not picky, thinks bluetooth speakers are the $hit. She'd just be happy that I did something to her stereo too.
     
  7. Mar 13, 2018 at 11:45 AM
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    I think you will be fine. After I turned up the bass a notch or two, it was really good. I think most of what I was hearing when I had a lot of highs was that the system was just middle on all the settings. After I adjusted it a little, it was just fine.
     
  8. Mar 14, 2018 at 5:19 AM
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    Cool beans, I have been running mine totally flat, so plenty of adjustment available. Probably get it done this weekend.
     
  9. Mar 14, 2018 at 7:29 AM
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    I was doing the same (flat equalizer) and I noticed a lot of high end, but once I turned up the bass, it's really nice. I'll be honest and say that I think some big bass songs scare me a little as this little stereo can really rattle the mirrors.
     
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  10. Mar 14, 2018 at 10:16 AM
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    Added the tweeters and kicker speakers for the front and rear door this weekend. Awesome sound.

    Only Issue:
    The 6x9 front speaker Metra mounting adapters that came from Crutchfield did not fit correctly. Had to modify the adapter to mount the speaker. At the time only 3 bolts lined up and had to drill out a location on the Metra Adapter to mount the fourth screw.

    Like a post above said, its pretty amazing the sound the factory speakers put out being paper thin and ultra light.
     
  11. Mar 14, 2018 at 10:45 AM
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    @bshammer0 I think the OP should be updated to reflect the "how to use the Metra speaker adapters", especially the 6x9 hole alignment issue where you have to just put the screws in one or two turns each, then tighten evenly a couple turns each until snugged down to overcome the alignment, and then the clips issue for the rear doors. I think both were covered ad nausea, but this thread has now become so long, those data points are being missed.....
     
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  12. Mar 14, 2018 at 11:27 AM
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    Good call - take a look at the edits and see if that gets the job done. It's been 6 months since I've installed mine so I'm a little rusty on the process I used :)
     
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  13. Mar 14, 2018 at 11:43 AM
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    @bshammer0 this is a good graphic....
     
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    done
     
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    OK, speakers done, @bshammer0 you can choose to include some of these tips in your OP or not, it's your thread . . . just throwing out what I did and what I think might help some folks with this awesome upgrade.

    I went with JBL speakers based on some specs, but I don't think there would be much difference with the CS or DS series Kickers, specs are really close as well as price. As long as you stick with speakers that have a sensitivity over 90dB and aren't designed for high-power systems, you should be fine. Front is the Subaru Kicker tweeters, JBL GT7 3-way 6x9's, rear is 2-way GT7 6.5.

    I have the Entune Premium HU. I have Bass 3 clicks up, Mid 1 click up and Treble flat in the center. It sounds AWESOME compared to stock, complete difference, no comparison. It did sound a bit better with just the tweeters, but WAY better with the speaker replacement.

    Some tips based on my install experience:

    - If you don't have panel removal tools, get the orange ones that are recommended in the OP, although you may not need the more expensive set. I went with the cheaper set and it had everything I needed -- but it is well worth the few dollars to avoid marring your interior with a screwdriver or whatever else you have laying around.

    - The connector for the power windows on the driver side can be a pain. There is one tab to press down, but it is hard to get it pressed down far enough with your fingers. There is an opening just below the release tab. I used the pointy part of a panel tool to press in that opening and get the connector to release. This is the same connector that gave my grief on my wife's old 4Runner.

    - Taking off door panels: Once you have all the small trim and screws out, start from the bottom of the door to get it started. If you are being overly cautious like I was, it could take some time to get the first clip to pop loose. Once it starts popping loose, go evenly side-to-side to avoid trashing your clips. Even if you bought new clips, you don't want to trash the door panel. I got lucky and was able to salvage all my clips, but this is the first time I was able to do that. I trashed multiple clips on previous installs.

    - ***Panel clips***: In many cases, especially with the small trim panels, the clips stuck in the door and did not come out with the panel. Be sure to remove the clips from the door and put them on the panel for re-installation! Small panels may go back on OK, but the door panels will not. Several door panel clips stuck in the door, and this is an area where one of those orange fork tools comes in to make things easier. Don't force stuff too much.

    - The cheesy featherweight stock speakers have a thin foam insulating ring/gasket type thing where they mate with the door panel. If you are OCD like me, and careful, you can peel that off and stick it to the new speaker adapters. The rear ones require a little stretching as you are sticking it on, but they are foam and stretch easily. Just a little insurance against buzzing or vibration, but probably not necessary.

    - Rear speakers: The screws that came with the JBL speakers were too long and stuck through the back of the adapter by about 1/8". This prevented mounting. Regardless of which rear speaker you go with, the screws cannot be protruding past the mounting surface. I had some shorter sheet metal screws that are slightly larger in diameter that worked well. There are also some outer tabs on the adapters I got that needed to be popped off, similar to those inner tabs.

    - As already covered, the front Metra speaker adapter screw holes don't line up nice with the 6x9 speakers. Apparently this is an issue with both the Kicker and JBL speakers, so not sure what Metra is using as a standard. As mentioned, start the screws at an angle and you can get them cinched down, it's not that far off.

    - Connecting the Metra adapter wires to the speakers takes some finesse. It is a good, tight connection but takes some pressure. Be careful not to damage your new speakers getting the connectors on. Be patient, they will eventually go on. I braced them from the back with the side of a set of pliers so I could get enough leverage.

    - You don't want much wire hanging out of the hole on the speaker adapters. Leave most of the wire behind the speaker and the adapter, only the connector needs to be accessible. Too much wire might interfere with getting the door panel back on.

    - If you are OCD like me: I spent about 2 hours prepping the speakers and adapters (mounting the speakers, getting the connectors on, securing the wires, etc.) with some family distractions in the middle. It did take about an hour or so to get them installed once prepped. Take your time and don't expect it to take an hour, especially if you haven't done it before. Count on 3 and you should be fine.

    Anyway, great find, and I am super happy with the outcome. And I only spent $220! Now I gotta find some Pink Floyd and go sit in my truck . . .
     
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    This thread was my intro to TW this week! Ordered the tweeters, and Kicker CS speakers front and rear on Monday night. Just installed the tweeters tonight, and the speakers will be here on Friday.
     
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    Ordered all items OP went with, plus 36 sq ft of the 80 mil Noico for less than $260. I’ll have enough for the whole interior. Will borrow the seam roller.
    EBay 15% sale for the sound deadener and tweeters. Keep an eye out because they have been running 15-20% sales on ANY item. Went with Cruthfield for door speakers because of free accessories and a pretty good website.
    Might need some tips on install...
    See you guys soon :cheers:
     
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    B14612E6-B427-4348-9BC9-D4236E71D868.jpg Replaced my JBL tweeters with the Kickers.
     

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