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Preventative Maintenance for Long Travel (Advice after going LT)

Discussion in 'Long Travel Suspension' started by Marnes2986, Feb 13, 2012.

  1. Feb 13, 2012 at 2:55 PM
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    Marnes2986

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    I know a lot of people are getting LT kits now and I've decided to drop a little knowledge for those first starting out. Im no guru and wasnt born with the desert in my backyard or with a wrench in my hand. But Ive had my LT kit since 06 and have experienced some things that could've been prevented. (advice is for 05+ tacos since that’s what I own but...)

    This is an open discussion and I encourage everyone to post up with ADVICE and their experiences.

    The TC Cam Tab Gussets are one of the first things that should be put on after installing a LT kit. Before TC offered these gussets, a number of us were bending the tabs, some as early as the second trip out with their new LT kit. When I bent mine I took it to DMZ and he laid a “bead” down right against the tab for support. Im sure any of you who own a welder will be able to perform this and it can be a cheaper alternative to the TC Cam Tab Gussets ($85/pair)

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    Ive seen this more prevalent with the oldergens, but the spindle is still the weak point on all these bolt-on LT kits. To prevent bending, TC and Allpro offer spindle gussets for our trucks. TC ($42/pair). ALLPRO ($49/pair).

    TC ($42/pair)
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    ALLPRO ($49/PAIR)
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    The newer Toyota frames like to flex and I believe Toyota sacrificed rigidity and strength to give the driver a more comfortable ride. The older Toyota trucks came with strong frames and even boxed rear halfs. The leverage of a LT can cause the front coilbuckets to flex, bend and crack. Therefore, TC offers Coilbucket Tower Gussets ($89/Pair)

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    Although the TC Tower Gussets are a great addition, the whole front frame of the newgen trucks like to flex (or bow) along with the coilbucket. So to further alleviate this I opted to get a crossbar from DMZ that supported both buckets and strengthened the front frame. IMO after it was installed the front end felt noticeably solid through turns and I was more confident after a midjudged hard hit. Visit DMZFAB.com for the price or call.

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    The newgens have become more infamous for its frame failures, more specifically the motor-mounts. A number of us have discovered this by hearing their fan scraping on their fan-shroud LOL. With many complaints and a couple attempted lawsuits to Toyota (documented on TTORA), Toyota did a little plating over the mounts on their 2007+ models, but people were still busting motor-mounts. DMZ Fab offers gussets ($75/pair), call for purchase. Solo Motorsport offers a WIY gusset ($199)

    DMZ Fab ($75/pair)
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    Solo MS WIY ($199)I cant blow it up for some reason.
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  2. Feb 13, 2012 at 3:00 PM
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    FixedTRD

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    Good write up. Also recommend pplz to box the rear frame if they know how or have the cash to.
     
  3. Feb 13, 2012 at 3:05 PM
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    theduck911

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    Nice write up:thumbsup:

    I'd like to add a few things to the list (some are items you can buy some you can't):

    - Welding the inside of the LCA mounts (will add pic later with this outlined).
    - Cross-member Connecting the Shackle buckets (only applies to thoses with inverted shackles)

    Just some things I've come across with my truck & others :cool:
     
  4. Feb 13, 2012 at 3:23 PM
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    Mxpatriot

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    Nice write up. Gussets are definitely a critical part of LT. I just made myself a set of UCA/coil bucket gussets out of 3/16'' cold roll.

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    So far I have gusseted my spindles, my UCA's, my coil buckets, my bumper mounts and one motor mount (broke it, repaired it, gusseted it. I kick myself for not having the other side done at the same time).

    I still need to do my LCA mounts, build an engine cage/coil bucket cross bar, and box the frame in.

    Don't forget about the little stuff - I've had to rebuild my grill and headlight mounts because of the abuse. The suspension may be able to handle it, the rest of the truck might be another story.

    I've broke my bumper mounts because I was prerunning with a plate bumper. My truck has always been pretty multi-purpose. I have plans in the near future (tube sitting in the garage) to build a tube bumper with aluminum skids and relocate the winch to the rear of the truck.

    The damage:

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    Repaired:

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    Making sure it won't happen again:

    1/4'' steel brace plate welded on all four sides to the stock mounting plate.

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    Both sides on, welded, and painted

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  5. Feb 13, 2012 at 3:28 PM
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    Mark, do you have a picture with the TC LCA/alignment cam gussets mounted?
     
  6. Feb 13, 2012 at 7:45 PM
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    great job mark!!! too many people don't understand there is so much more to it than simply bolting on a kit and some fiberglass.

    chase, i'll get some pics of my cam gussets for you in the morning
     
  7. Feb 13, 2012 at 8:00 PM
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    shitty pic of the cam gussets installed...

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  8. Feb 13, 2012 at 11:39 PM
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    Great thread. This will come in handy. I was wondering if it was important to box the frame.
     
  9. Feb 14, 2012 at 1:44 AM
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    Cam gussets from tc on 1st gen
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    tc uca/coil bucket gussets
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    Same side
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    Cell phone pics sorry about quality.
     
  10. Feb 14, 2012 at 6:05 AM
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    So once those cam gussets are installed your camber and caster are fixed at that point, right?
     
  11. Feb 14, 2012 at 7:02 AM
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    they help a lot in keeping your alignment in spec, but big hits can still knock it out...
     
  12. Feb 14, 2012 at 7:43 AM
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    You can still get it aligned if thats what you mean. Your not welding the cams, just the tabs. Although some people do weld the cams too and that would make the alignment non-adjustable without grinding off the welds
     
  13. Feb 14, 2012 at 11:20 AM
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    I've pondered this, why not just go get an alignment to the spec of your choice. Mark it, weld it, gusset it, set it and forget it......
     
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    A wise man told me that welding the cams is great till something happens out on trail, then it turns into a pita. Gusset it and mark it, then if it gets bumped out or u need to work on area just match it up go. Not fun either way but the 1st option would be a bitch out on trail if not impossible.
     
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    I should probably do the cam tab gussets...after this weekend!
     
  16. Feb 15, 2012 at 3:29 PM
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    This is what will happen if you dont gusset your motormounts.....so gusset them first before they break. Once they break its even harder to fix, because you gotta either jack up the motor or remove it. I believe Mpower had to pull his out.

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  17. Feb 15, 2012 at 4:07 PM
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    LT upgrades:

    -Do not run stock spindles
    -Must have a cage (5pts)
    -Must create solid motor & trans mounts
    -Always gusset upgraded area's (even bolt tabs; lowers, uppers)
    -Frame gussets
    -Always have spare parts
    -Don't drive faster than you can (that voice in your head that says "I don't like this" is right)

    Just a general idea of what you should do.
     
  18. Feb 15, 2012 at 5:10 PM
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    Great thread. Getting mine all installed next week, starting with the spindle gussets, cam gussets and shock tower gussets. Plan on doing the motor mounts not to long after.
     
  19. Feb 15, 2012 at 6:14 PM
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    Make sure not to do any jumping or romping hard until you get the motor mounts, OR unless your suspension is valved properly. Thats how i busted my motor mounts. One Coilover, no bypass, 500# springs on a dubcab, no valving= slamming hard on the front end and breaking frame LOL
     
  20. Feb 15, 2012 at 6:47 PM
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    I don't plan on jumping lol

    The truck won't be driven hard, just want LT so I don't have to worry about the way I currently drive.

    It will get done as a preventative measure, but with everything I have already paid for money won't be right for that for a little time.
     
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