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Question for Army Folks

Discussion in 'Military' started by AFButters, Mar 22, 2010.

  1. Mar 22, 2010 at 2:49 PM
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    Never talk bad about "America's Army" bro, bad things usually happen, especially around Fayettnam!
     
  2. Mar 22, 2010 at 2:49 PM
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    I am trying to avoid that.. I am just going mostly off of the hour or so conversation i had with the Ranking Army Troops last week, that basicly said "they only come out for these training jumps to get there couple hundred bucks a month in there pay checks... other than the money there is no reason to jump anymore.."
     
  3. Mar 22, 2010 at 2:51 PM
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    Wow, did that CSM/SGM have their wings?
     
  4. Mar 22, 2010 at 2:51 PM
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    Burnt Tiger, good to see another TF on board! Got out the 2nd time 'round in '85...101st still have a jumping Pathfinder company?
     
  5. Mar 22, 2010 at 2:53 PM
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    I would never talk bad or down about anyone in the service I respect the hell outa everyone that serves ( and actually serves)... I am just trying to get more insight on cost effectiveness.. as I am sick of hearing about how the military flushes money faster that Toiletpaper... It was just one thing I thought could help left some of the cost.

    one of my Sgts was stationed in Japan.. and apparently we pay them some god awful amount Monthly to use the land for our base.. something like $1500 a sq ft a day
     
  6. Mar 22, 2010 at 2:53 PM
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    CSM was working as the DACO and the Major was a Jumpmaster
     
  7. Mar 22, 2010 at 2:54 PM
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    Ranger unit jumped into Granada also...
     
  8. Mar 22, 2010 at 2:55 PM
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    Point well taken. But you have to understand with a 10K jump of personnel you will be lucky to get 9K who are uninjured. The best method of delivery is via helicopter so you don't have these kinds of casualties and remember all the support (tooth to tail) you need to keep things happening. Chow is a big morale booster and if a soldier has a pay problem then his chain of command has a problem.

    Airborne operations are a "HIGH RISK" venture and should only be used after doing the cost benefit ratio with a risk management sheet completed. If you think about it why do we need so many ground pounders at the levels we have....its because in a good slug fest your probably going to lose half your force or more in the initial assault. If chemicals are used you will lose waaaaay more than that. Why they had the 0-6 lead a bunch of guys into an airborne jump into Northern Iraq is beyond me...I have my ideas as I'm sure you do too.
     
  9. Mar 22, 2010 at 3:03 PM
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    Now Rangers I can def understand them being Jump Qual. I guess i look at it this way. my cousin had to go to jump school and he works Finance.. Idk why he is.. and apparently he said they told him to do it and he gets the extra money.. other than that.. its whatever
     
  10. Mar 22, 2010 at 3:07 PM
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    Don't forget, it makes you more deployable!

    There was also one big jump in Vietnam (173 also?)
     
  11. Mar 22, 2010 at 3:07 PM
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    The injury factor is crazy too.. think of all the guys who have gotten hurt jumping and now collect a check for the military bc of it
     
  12. Mar 22, 2010 at 3:09 PM
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    I remember The CSM i talked to said he was deployed to Panama and they ( i would assume his unit) didnt jump.. one of my TSGTs here has been in 18 years and said the last time he remembers the 82 deploying and jumping was back in Granada.. err whatver
     
  13. Mar 22, 2010 at 3:10 PM
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    *THANK YOU> well said...
     
  14. Mar 22, 2010 at 3:13 PM
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    Again you have to remember the flexibility it adds to combat operations. Trust me...I've been to enough briefings to know that fidel castro and the asshole in Iran go to sleep at night with one eye open hoping the USMC doesn't land on his beach or the army rangers followed by divisional forces don't drop in for a drink or dinner. Alot of these guys are held in check by these thoughts. By the way the Ruskies also have airborne units....that should tell you something....
     
  15. Mar 22, 2010 at 3:16 PM
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    By the way someone forgot to mention Rangers jumpted into Afghanistan as well and were going door to door waking up people in their bedrooms asking them (in a polite way I'm sure) if they had seen some people they had pics of. How would you like to be awakened by someone who sneaked into your house and was armed and waking you up out of your sleep while you were next to the wife and wishing you a good day.....I think I would be a little unnerved.....just a little bit ....
     
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    I promise Im not. I could go on and on about all the dumb shit the Air Force does that isnt needed.. I just wanted to get the views from some people on here.. I was curious if you why you guys would say it is needed.. and you all have agree it is for Mission related reason.. If you want to blame anyone its the Army guys Im around everyday that when we get the loaded on the plane.. all they care about it that the mission they are on doesnt get Canx because they will lose there jump pay.
     
  17. Mar 22, 2010 at 3:20 PM
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    I do know from being here that 5 days a week we take boxes full of sand put them on planes with parachutes and the planes come back request them to be downloaded and then make up all kinds of bullshit esquie reasons for why they couldnt throw his shit out of the plane.. wasting our time and energy... I guess i just notice some of the Army stuff more because around here.. its 99% army 1% AF.. soon my Squadron will be like 1 of 4 AF groups on the base
     
  18. Mar 22, 2010 at 3:27 PM
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    Gator, I believe you.. and I promise Im not arguing with you.. All I know about any of this stuff is what the troops tell me when I walk them on Green Ramp or Load there gear on the planes.

    As for the TACP and CC, those guys are nuts (in a good way)...

    Im sorry.. I should have done more research (used the search feature).. and i did but its hard to get the answers im looking for from work.. half the sites are blocked.. the other half is people arguing .. kinda like in here.. but I wasnt looking for an arguement I was looking to be educated.

    I have the best job in the Air Force, Air Transportation, I get to work with all the branches and provide support in all aspects, from loading there gear, to making sure there rations and ammo get loaded on the right plane to get them down range. I got to spend 6 mos in Balad with some Army folks and had a blast.

    I was supposed to Go to Afghanastain but got tasked to go to Germany, but when my PCS got canx my spot to Afghanastain got filled.. and I got moved to a tasking in Iraq and then my slot got bought out by the AF reserves .. so now im stuck in Fayetteville... :(.. I was hoping to make some Modding Money
     
  19. Mar 22, 2010 at 3:33 PM
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    Dude, there have been numerous jumps since Vietnam. Think Panama.

    That SGM and Captain sounds like they're 5 jump chumps ;)

    Airborne!



     
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