quick question about the weak power to the rear speakers

3rd gen original HU, rear speakers run at very little power. What if I crossed them with the front channel? I heard you may burn out the HU, but what if I disconnect the tweeters and get a 2-way front door speaker? In my head I feel like I would be replacing the tweeters with the rear speakers...

 

Not worth it. You get more sound from your tweeters than all the other speakers combined. Either add an amp or leave them alone

 

so by disconnectong the tweeters would i then be able to connect my rear speakers in parralel with a new set of 6x9 (2-way). wouldnt this drive my rear speakers the same amount of power the original tweeters were getting

 

This is going to come across harsh but I promise I don’t mean it that way, I just want to be direct

You’re trying to do way too much with way too little power. The system puts out like 12w to the front speakers. The speakers that it came with are about as good as you can use for the factory radio. Even upgrading to new speakers all around will get you a loss in volume. There’s not really a quick fix unfortunately. I would just leave everything alone until you’re ready to do a real upgrade.

 

Instead of redoing wiring, which would be very complicated, why not just replace the head unit? It would be a much simpler solution with much less risk to your components or your wiring.

 

People need to stop trying to get rear speakers to be as loud as the front.... They are quiet for a reason, its called sound stage and makes your music sound loads better.

 

I've never heard of this but there's a first time for everything. Thank you for the explanation on that. I can only imagine I'm not the only one who just assumed there wasn't a reason for the quietness of the rear speakers.

 

Oh lots of people think the rear speakers should be just as loud as the front. The sound in your truck should mimic real life. So if your listing to music, the band is usually in front of you and not surrounding you. If you close your eyes, it should sound like you are standing in a crowd with a band on your dashboard.

 

Interesting concept.

Sorry if I'm coming across like a smartass, I've genuinely not heard of this before but it makes a lot of sense.

 

Oh no your good. Car audio is one of those things that has lots of science behind it. But most people just want it loud and dont care about sound stage.

Speaker placement, time alignment, crossover settings, eq settings, reflections, sound dampening, lots of things can be altered to make a system sound better.

 

yep. very much the reason that i stopped running rear speakers around 10 years ago in any of my setups. saves money on setup costs, and greatly simplifies the acoustics as well.

 

Yeah BOYEEeE! I got your head rest right here bitch!

 

Well, no. There's a reason no other manufacturer does it. Toyota didn't do it for "sound stage." My hunch is it provides people in the back seat enough volume along with the front to let them listen to music. Toyota has literally done everything wrong with the sound system in these trucks and none of it was because they were trying to give the driver a good music experience. It's piss poor design coupled with absolute zero experience.

 

I’m with this guy. The system in Tacomas and 4Runners are built and tuned to disappoint from the ground up. That being said, I’ve heard worse factory systems.

 

I don't know how old you are but I'm 56, started to drive in 82-83 and car audio sucked at the time. Only way for decent music was to upgrade the stereo, add an amp, and put speakers in the rear of the vehicle. All we did in those days is crank it up to hear it.

Factory speakers today up front would put my 80's after market audio today to shame. It was only good when it was loud. Your explanation makes total sense relating to a concert hall front to back.

 

40 years old here. We only added rear speakers in our cars as it added much needed bass that just could not be produced with front speakers. But yeah, when I started doing sound systems we stuck as many 6x9 speakers as we could onto the package tray and cranked it up. Then I got into sound stage and found I could get more with less power by tuning it properly.

 

I have too but I've never experienced such a garbage OS on a modern radio. I put in a thumbdrive full of music (the same thumbdrive that worked flawlessly on a 10 year old Nissan). If you browse folders, it doesn't show nested folders like every file browser in the world. No, it shows a complete list of folders, in no particular order. If I select artist or album the radio gets confused and plays a random song from a random folder. It never shows me the list of artists or albums. But let's pretend complete morons didn't design the system and everything was working great. ...but you're using the built in $1000+ nav. Good luck with that because these mopes didn't think it would be important to mute the music when giving GPS directions. Holy crap that's just stupid. And lazy. And Toyota.

When I test drove the 2023 Nissan Frontier, the radio worked flawlessly. The rear speakers and front speakers were the same volume and you could fade easily so you had a full soundstage, not a sorry excuse of a listening experience that Toyota apologists/enthusiasts say "well, when you go see a band the stage is in front." Yah, in a dive bar that MAY be true. But we're not going for a crappy dive bar experience here. We're going for at LEAST not the "I spent WAY too much for this PREMIUM sound system for it to sound this bad and be this awful" experience.

 

it could always be worse.

my brz, the oem radio routed any gps voice directions through only the 3.5" rear speakers. it was near-disorienting. to have the music cut out, and tiny little speakers from behind me start whispering directions..

but i've never bought a car on the factory audio system. i do the opposite. i only buy vehicles i can change the audio system in. before the tacoma and brz, i specifically had a 2001 mitsubishi eclipse because it had a center dash speaker that would allow a 5.1 audio system(i never got around to using it)

 

I've been spoiled. I've never had a vehicles stock radio disappoint me this much. I've always replaced everything too, often times going from dealer to garage and have the interior completely out within hours of purchase. But as OEM got better, that need decreased. When Honda started using Alpine head units that were compatible with Alpine branded changers and had RCA outs, swapping speakers and adding a sub amp and sub would suffice. Then I got the Nissan with Bose system. I test drove the Nissan Frontier with Bose and it was better than the last Nissan with Bose I had.

Then I bought this turd...

 

I gotta agree with all the people disappointed with the "TSD" Toyota Stereo Development team....hahaha....
i have struggled with trying to keep my factory HU in my new 2022 taco and still get a satisfactory sound and kinda got it....I had a 2006 Tacoma that i had an Alpine HU with Boston Acoustics 2-way coaxial powered with just an alpine v12 250watt amp with an 8in JL audio W7 down firing sub pushed by an old school analog JL audio 250/1 mono amp in the back of my reg cab.....i got 2 things with that setup....good sound with 2 windows down and a back massage all at the same time...
Now with my 2022 access cab I am having a real hard time achieving that level of thump....however my 54yo ears probably don't need it any more...due to my former truck setup....