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Rant: Anyone Else Hate the 5-speed Clutch?

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by river rat, Nov 29, 2010.

  1. Nov 29, 2010 at 4:43 AM
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    Just traded in my '07, 4 cylinder, 5-speed manual for an automatic tranny Tacoma because I couldn't stand the too-short-throw-grabby-harsh clutch action anymore. Loved the truck, otherwise.

    I did a search and couldn't find anything exactly complaining about the same issue.

    After 3-1/2 years, I still occasionally stalled the bastard in traffic, especially with boots on or on rough roads because I need some pedal travel during engagement in order to modulate it. After more than a dozen manual transmission cars and trucks over the last 26 years, I think this was the worst feeling clutch I ever drove. My opinion. :mad:
     
  2. Nov 29, 2010 at 6:07 AM
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    I used to feel that way, but I am used to it now. I have a bad shift occasionally, but for the most part it's pretty smooth. It is hard for me to drive with boots on though, but that's mainly because I have big feet and there's just not a lot of room for size 12 boots down there...I kinda have to poke the clutch with my toes. :)
     
  3. Nov 29, 2010 at 8:47 AM
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    Ya. Me too on the toes only and big feet. I thought about trying to lengthen the release arm or a larger bore slave cylinder and all that, but it was a pretty big hassle.
    The tipping point was that my wife hates driving a stickshift anyway, and won't drive it....so I got to do most of the driving if we took it on vacation, and she would never take it to work when I was home so it was hard to me to get her car for a day of maintenance.

    Anyway, I like the new truck and no longer have to consciously think about shifting all the time. I hate that. My old VW is second nature it clutches so sweet.
     
  4. Nov 29, 2010 at 9:49 AM
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    Dunno. My 5 speeds:

    74 Alfa Romeo

    88 Ford Mustang GT

    90 Mazda Miata

    11 Toyota Tacoma

    I had a long "automatic only" hiatus between the miata and the tacoma. But the tacoma clutch doesn't strike me as particularly weird.
     
  5. Nov 29, 2010 at 1:55 PM
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    its definately grabby, but i don't get where you get short throw, mine doesnt engage till its almost done traveling upward, all my friends who've driven it say wtf you have a long clutch and they drive cars from old 64 f100's to 05 mustangs and 08 cobalts. i can drive in work boots to riding boots and im a size twelve, its a PITA but it works still
     
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    I CAN drive in boots...I just really have to concentrate hahaha
     
  7. Nov 29, 2010 at 2:05 PM
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    By short throw I mean the distance the pedal travels between engagement and disengagment...not where in the arc it happens. :)

    I prefer a bit more travel during engagement = Less grabby so I could modulate the torque while bouncing along. I just never liked that clutch.
     
  8. Nov 29, 2010 at 2:43 PM
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    I've found it to be one of the nicer onces I've driven. My first time in a different car I always stall, then once I figure out the engagement, all's well. Every car is a little different.
     
  9. Nov 29, 2010 at 2:57 PM
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    I love it. It is super solid and smooth. I like it better than the '06 6 speed taco i had a couple years back
     
  10. Nov 29, 2010 at 2:59 PM
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    besides the fact that it squeaks occasionally, i think its fine. return could be faster, but hey, its a 4 cyl truck. can't complain.
     
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    i think its grabby but i dont really have complaints. other than squeaking
     
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    I guess most people like it OK.
    With two vehicles with manual trans, Maybe that made it harder to go back and forth.
     
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    Seems to me its more of a low end torque problem. The clutch on mine is very controllable, I just have to remind myself, its a 4 banger, not a V8.

    For normal city driving, I have no problems making a low RPM start.

    I have also learned how to slip the clutch to get a good launch. If you catch it just right on slipping and fully engaged, its actually pretty impressive how fast they will take off... Although not its not so good for the life of the clutch.

    I do find myself slipping the clutch from time to time to get a little more acceleration through intersections and such.

    Off road, well you just have to get the RPM up there a little higher than seems comfortable. When taking off up a steep incline, you learn to live by the E-Brake.
     
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    Don't know about the 5-speed, but I hate the 6-speed clutch. Though actually between the clutch, the RPM hang and ridiculous throttle response, it's hard to tell what the worst factor is.
     
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    ya i remember that rpm stayin up there for a bit inbetween clutchin. Definitely takes some getting used to
     
  16. Nov 29, 2010 at 6:07 PM
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    I have an auto in 2 cars and the 5 sped in the truck. I go back and forth between them and have no issue with it other than the noise but even that is outside and not an issue for function. It's not really any different than the one I had in the 82 prerunner that I drove for 27yrs. Slightly different gearbox action but that's to be expected. As you stated tho, the wife laid down the trump card sooo..........
     
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    It's the gearing that makes it a little tricky to get a smooth start. 1st and 2nd gears need to be a little taller. My 1st isn't wound out until 15+ mph. Older toyota trucks had bit more of a granny gear in 1st. Easier to get rolling without much clutch slip. I don't care for second gear either - can't do a rolling start without lugging.
     
  18. Nov 30, 2010 at 4:51 AM
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    That's part of it. My VW van has more engagement travel, and a bit lower first gear.
    So smooth people outside the car think it's an auto trans.

    Has anyone tried to increase travel on the Taco?
     
  19. Nov 30, 2010 at 4:58 AM
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    I find the clutch in mine to be the least grabby I've driven. I will agree on the foot space though. It is a pita to drive with boots.
     
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    kinda feel the same way. wasnt used to the clutch when i first got it from the dealer. it was kinda grabby, got used to it though but still stall it every now and then. i wanna get a urd short throw, i hate 1st to 2nd shift
     
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