Rear Ended - Frame bent - need advice !!!

I don't think OP is driving down to the US to buy another vehicle. The glass is half full @fxntime. Half full.

 

I think you made the right call, 16k (roughly 50%) seems steep for a buy back on a totaled vehicle.

What are you thinking you’ll replace it with?

 

That is unfortunate about losing the Tacoma.

 

What amazes me about this thread (and many others on this site) is that you can find members literally arguing the same point, but because they're so overrun by their pride, they don't even realize they're arguing the same points, just worded differently. You're saying "rules are different in Canada." The other member is saying "listen Pops, you didn't read the thread obviously, bc I already know this and stated it." You're just caught up trying to say "gotcha" bc 'rules are different there', and he's caught up in semantics trying to convince you that 'rules are different there' isn't a valid argument, bc rules aren't generalized over an entire country. He's saying rules are different by state/providence, insinuating that of course the rules in USA vs Canada are potentially going to be different. You're both ultimately saying the same thing....

 

not really though.

all frames are heat-treated in the factory to temper the steel to make it stronger than the steel is without treatment. this is a standard practice across all brands.

re-heating the steel will remove that temper, which creates a softer steel, which will in fact make it easier to bend back into shape, but now you're left with a frame that's easily malleable like clay. and if they were to try to re-temper the rear of the frame, they need to stop the heat treatment somewhere, unless they pull and strip the entire frame, which leaves for a spot where they taper the heat temperature off, which creates a weak spot, which increases the liability risk of the frame folding at that point in another significant impact.

but then the repair shop and insurance company paying for the process are still on the hook for the entire process following toyota's procedure, and they would be liable if they got any part of the tempering process wrong. one direction in temperature makes the frame more malleable, the other direction makes it more brittle, like glass.

it's far more in either of their interests to entirely replace the frame with a new frame that was manufactured to OEM specifications, including the heat treatment process, to ensure that the frame responds as anticipated in another incident. but insurance is also beholden to their shareholders to provide a profit, and the cost of replacement frame, both immediate replacement cost, but also the labor cost to swap everything over, makes the outright salvage option far more desirable.


this is the cost of making liability someone else's problem--ie, carrying insurance to pay you for the damages to your vehicle. if you're willing to bear the liability of the repair, and the potential damage costs(immediate, as well as ancillary bodily harm damages) later on in the vehicles life, none of it applies.

but very few of us are willing to wrap up $1,000,000,000 into a $50,000 truck to deal with that potential.

 

What if you just leave it like that? Ive always wondered what happens, because unless you are going off road everyday , who cares. It does not compromise nothing I think, as long as bed is flat , and it does not interfere with rear tires or anything, who cares.

Maybe dont say anything to insurance and just drive it

 

Don't tell me you are being Canadian without being Canadian. Naw, this guy got caught trying to be a Richard and played it off as that was what he meant the whole time.

 

I never said dudes not a Richard. I said your pride prohibits you from comprehension. He says you can't read. I say you choose not to.

 

Who hurt you?

 

Been a active forum member of (many defunct) topics since, at least the late 1980's and to this day I still shake my head on why we have to criticize one another...

 

https://rts.i-car.com/crn-1364.html
Straightening And Heat: General Motors

A question often asked of the Repairability Technical Supports (RTS) team is, "Can heat be used to straighten?" Several OEMs provide steel repairability matrices that provide heating times and temperature limits based on the type of metal being repaired, while other OEMs have restrictions on using heat at all. Let’s see what General Motors (GM) has to say.

GM provides use of heat guidelines in their Recommended GM Steel Repairability Matrix. You are also able to find steel descriptions and repairability information after logging into their service site by:

1. Selecting a vehicle
2. Opening the Service Manual
3. Clicking on Body Repair
4. Clicking on Collision Repair
5. Clicking on Description and Operation

The following are just a few examples of recommendations found in vehicle-specific BRMs:

• According to the GM service site, for ultra-high-strength steel (UHSS), dual phase steel, and ultra-high-strength dual phase steel, "The use of heat to repair damage is not recommended for this type of steel."
• For mild steel and high-strength low alloy (HSLA) steel, GM specifies that, "Controlled use of heat can be used to repair damage, if the heat does not exceed 650°C (1200°F). The heat should be applied a maximum of 2 times, for up to 90 seconds."

As you can see, there are specific use of heat guidelines that need to be followed to maintain structural integrity. Using heat during a repair when it is not permitted, can compromise the vehicle structure and passenger safety. Always follow OEM procedures and recommendations when it comes to using heat for repairs to ensure a complete, safe, and quality repair.

Additional I-CAR Collision Repair News you may find helpful:

• Collision Information Website Access: General Motors
• Recommended General Motors Steel Repairability Matrix
• Step-By-Step: Accessing General Motors Repair Information
• Straightening And Heat

 

it's still up to the insurer and the shop doing the work to take on the liability of the repair, and warranty the work for the rest of the vehicles life, which most aren't willing to do, even if there's a documented process for it.

this incident definitely didn't help things, though there was plenty of blame to be passed around.
https://www.thedrive.com/news/15027...ies-after-body-shop-glues-on-replacement-roof