Redesigned Tacoma in 2023?

Mad German · May 10, 2022

I'm just waiting to see what Robmotive has to say. He knows everything.

Mad German · May 10, 2022

DJinTN said: ↑

Before or after he tries to sell you a Sprint Booster?
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stevesnj · May 11, 2022

New Turbo 4cyl in the 2023 Highlander...almost 20% higher torque but 10 less HP rating than the current V6 Tacoma engine.... this may be the engine coming to the Tacoma?

https://pressroom.toyota.com/2023-toyota-highlander-revs-up-driving-with-new-turbocharged-engine/

For 2023, the Highlander gas models receive a big and helpful change with a new, higher-torque, high-efficiency turbocharged engine. The 265-horsepower, 2.4-liter turbocharged four-cylinder, which uses balance shafts for super-smooth performance, delivers 309 lb-ft of torque. This is a significant 17% increase over the previous 3.5-liter V6 engine’s 263 lb-ft. The driver will feel this gain in everyday driving situations, especially when taking advantage of the Highlander’s 7- or 8-person seating and generous cargo capacity.
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Shades_Of_Red · May 11, 2022

stevesnj said: ↑

New Turbo 4cyl in the 2023 Highlander...almost 20% higher torque but 10 less HP rating than the current V6 Tacoma engine.... this may be the engine coming to the Tacoma?

https://pressroom.toyota.com/2023-toyota-highlander-revs-up-driving-with-new-turbocharged-engine/
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Might be. The exra torque would be welcomed. If they are going to offer a turbo V6 also as an option, I guessing it wont be the 3.5 from the Tundra but a smaller V6 somewhere between 2.7L - 3.2L

YatYas1833 · May 11, 2022

stevesnj said: ↑

New Turbo 4cyl in the 2023 Highlander...almost 20% higher torque but 10 less HP rating than the current V6 Tacoma engine.... this may be the engine coming to the Tacoma?

https://pressroom.toyota.com/2023-toyota-highlander-revs-up-driving-with-new-turbocharged-engine/
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Dang, yeah I really need to get a Tacoma before they do all this turbo BS….

TacoBuffet · May 11, 2022

sporin said: ↑

We should really sticky this on the first post

The 2023 Tacoma will be the same as the 2022 though likely with a new paint color on some trims.

2024 model year for the all-new truck.

Anything you hear otherwise unless you have better industry (not dealer) connections than @Carmaker1 or @DJinTN has is conjecture and/or clickbait.
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100% mods can we sticky?

windnsea00 · May 11, 2022

A turbo would be nice at elevation, my 2.7 runs out of steam in the mountains.

Asada · May 11, 2022

Well, at least I have found out where to come find the answers.

CrispyTacoLover · May 11, 2022

stevesnj said: ↑

New Turbo 4cyl in the 2023 Highlander...almost 20% higher torque but 10 less HP rating than the current V6 Tacoma engine.... this may be the engine coming to the Tacoma?

https://pressroom.toyota.com/2023-toyota-highlander-revs-up-driving-with-new-turbocharged-engine/
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The 4Runner is fucked.

SwollenGoat · May 11, 2022

stevesnj said: ↑

New Turbo 4cyl in the 2023 Highlander...almost 20% higher torque but 10 less HP rating than the current V6 Tacoma engine.... this may be the engine coming to the Tacoma?

https://pressroom.toyota.com/2023-toyota-highlander-revs-up-driving-with-new-turbocharged-engine/
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That sounds pretty good to me, would cure the soft bottom end with the current engines.

Seriously considered a Ranger, felt it would pull a camper trailer better than the Tacoma, but couldn’t bring myself to buy a Ford when it came down to it.

CrispyTacoLover · May 11, 2022

SwollenGoat said: ↑

That sounds pretty good to me, would cure the soft bottom end with the current engines.

Seriously considered a Ranger, felt it would pull a camper trailer better than the Tacoma, but couldn’t bring myself to buy a Ford when it came down to it.
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Maybe you didn’t notice the crappy gas mileage.

SwollenGoat · May 11, 2022

CrispyTacoLover said: ↑

Maybe you didn’t notice the crappy gas mileage.
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Of what, the Ranger or the new Highlander?

shakerhood · May 11, 2022

Shades_Of_Red said: ↑

Might be. The exra torque would be welcomed. If they are going to offer a turbo V6 also as an option, I guessing it wont be the 3.5 from the Tundra but a smaller V6 somewhere between 2.7L - 3.2L
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Definitely won't see any V6, it's going to be a Turbo 4 and a Hybrid.

VanGo3 · May 11, 2022

Tallgrass05 said: ↑

Never buy a newly redesigned or re-engined vehicle. Wait a few years for the owners to find the problems and the manufacturer to fix things. Pioneers get the arrows, settlers get the land.
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Good advice.

VanGo3 · May 11, 2022

stevesnj said: ↑

And when they do change their R & D is extensive.
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I wonder how much R&D they did with the turbos on the new Tundra.

CrispyTacoLover · May 11, 2022

SwollenGoat said: ↑

Of what, the Ranger or the new Highlander?
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The Highlander, which could be the forthcoming Tacoma and 4Runner engine.

SwollenGoat · May 11, 2022

CrispyTacoLover said: ↑

The Highlander, which could be the forthcoming Tacoma and 4Runner engine.
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24 combined isn’t too bad. Maybe the hybrid will be closer to 30.

The Ford eco boost were anything but, did increase low end torque. Which is arguably one of the biggest complaints about the Tacoma.

Johnny919 · May 11, 2022

Carmaker1 said: ↑

In terms of credibility and accuracy, I didn't want to die on the wrong hill by trusting a questionable source, but someone based out of Dallas said that a TTV6 will be offered in the Tacoma and that Toyota is going all out on this vehicle. I deduced from that comment, Toyota knows what we're doing with our next Ranger for domestic consumption, so they're covering all their bases.

I don't want to run with it 100%, because the minute I mentioned to any Toyota contacts who are engineers or design-affiliated, they shied away from giving any confirmations or denials. It's like I touched on a hot button topic, being that it's of extremely competitive nature at this point. If I didn't work for another company, maybe they would be more forthcoming.

The turbo-4 is absolutely confirmed, but the TTV6 was the first time I heard someone declared that with any confidence. Generally, no one has said that until then. I asked if it was V35A-FTS, source says they don't have that yet.

As for the Raptor? Stay tuned.

The P375N Ranger having an Ecoboost 2.3L I4 has nothing to do with our F-150s of either P552 (last) or current P702 generations. The T6 was originally not designed for V-configuration engines. We had revise it heavily via the Bronco and new Ranger (P703), to accommodate a V6 of any sort. We had a 3.2L I5 diesel, but it was not coming to the U.S. anyway. Current Ranger was a stopgap, being a bridge between the old global T6 P375 Ranger and the Bronco with the heavily revised frame. New Ranger will fix this, which Toyota knows and is prepared to respond accordingly it seems. GM however, has taken the wrong lead possibly and might stick to an I4-only.

Are you kidding? Toyota knows where their bread is buttered in the truck segments and proves to be flexible enough. Tacoma, TAComa, TACOMA! The Hilux only has a few affluent and developed markets to champion a BEV. The Tacoma, is mostly sold in affluent regions of the world. North America and a few semi-grey market regions in Polynesia.

An electric Tacoma would probably outsell a TRD Pro, by attracting a diverse audience. As I love those of us with good taste in a TRD Pro, I'll be honest and say, we're probably outnumbered vastly by people who want a Tacoma sized BEV.

Thank you for stating this, it's very on point and dead accurate. It's disinformation, as in their professional capacity, they have the right resources to see why 2024 is the expected MY and yet, because they got giddy over spy shots last fall, they joined the "2023" bandwagon to get clicks. Now, I noticed this rendering months ago myself when that first surfaced, saying, "Where have I seen this before??" I was impressed with how cleanly done it was, but yeah they weren't original either. I knew for a fact it wasn't accurate, as Toyota isn't that uninventive.

C&D did a good job on cleaning up the Automotive Press rendering from earlier in 2021, because that's a bit closer to the real thing anyway. AP's rendering was inventive and respected by me, compared to other weak efforts, but had too many excessive flourishes via the character lines everywhere. He also chose to die on the hill it's still accurate, despite Akio Toyoda essentially teasing what was designed prior to all of that guessing by everyone.

The 2024 Tacoma final design was frozen by Kevin Hunter and Mike Sweers in the spring of 2021, meaning exact to production accuracy. This is in anticipation of a 2H 2023 Job 1 date, originally being August 2023 and now December 2023. At least at the time that stage of development was reached. 28/29-33 months is typical on a major redesign in terms of final design freeze. A spring 2021 design freeze, being earmarked for August 2023 Job 1 makes perfect sense when I look at my own timetables at work. It's one of the lead vehicles for midsize TNGA-F, so coming to market almost 3 years after design freeze isn't farfetched.

It is 2024, but only for the reveal is it coming in 2023. It was originally September 2023 launch as I had mentioned a long time (as Fall 2023), but that changed sometime last year to December 2023 Job 1, then add the weeks of building up of volume, typically 6-8 weeks, you're looking at either mid-late January to early March, depending on when Job 1 occurs in December 2023.

If early December 2023, could easily be mid-late January launch. If mid-December and affected by holidays, could stretch up to early March.

Toyota began 1990 LS 400 production on May 15, 1989, but weirdly enough didn't launch until September 1, 1989. Typically European and American OEMs take that long, as Japanese favor efficiency, but were not taking chances with the LS 400. Some customers got their cars in August 1989, by bribing dealers who got them early, to take them off their hands before official launch.

Since last year, it's been early 2024 when the schedule got updated internally and to suppliers. Unless Toyota starts production on December 1, 2023 and manages a Christmas miracle, to launch them before Winter Solstice, it's definitely in showrooms during Q1 2024 and hopefully hasn't changed again.

Toyota Pressroom told that lie with the 2022 Tundra and the media misinterpreted, via showing off the new builds at TMMTX in early December 2021 and stating, "TUNDRA PRODUCTION HAS BEGUN".

However, anyone well informed about TMMTX movements and Toyota charts, knows the 2022s were already in production well before that, circa Oct/November 2021 after Tacoma production ended and it was fully converted to TNGA-F.

It's also where, stupid uninformed clowns on Wikipedia, jump to mislead people with false hyperlinked narratives from news sites in that same Tundra article and I facepalm. They don't even have correct chassis code I imagine and just guessed it off the last gen, without proof. I digress, because it means the next gal or guy reading it, gets the wrong facts. This has nothing to do with what you said, but the false idea Toyota can go from Job 1 to dealer launch in 2-3 weeks. No one can do that in most cases. It takes a month or 2 on average, for enough units to go through transit and arrive at dealers.

I think marketing departments are so insecure, that customers will feel their product is outdated, if they all realize how long it takes to develop an automobile and that styling is decided way before they even know a future vehicle even exists. Or production takes very long from start at factory to reaching the lot. I see it always with the lies told in so many press briefs, except for some rare circumstances of transparency. Japanese and American automakers are the worst with this. Germans don't mind telling you it took 12,000 years to engineer this, while Japanese will pretend like they came up with that idea last week to make sure it's freshly baked enough for you.

It's insulting to one's intelligence, as customers doing special orders, already can tell the truth when it takes many weeks to months to get a new vehicle, when coming from the factory. Some can also tell, if an idea of yours took years to release and wasn't as last minute as you'd like to pretend it is. This is why I hate concept cars and the false narrative they imply for the public. They design the damn thing first and then, doll it up enough to mask the production model and they strip off the makeup, prosthetics as soon as production is near. Concepts like the 2012 LF-LC Concept vs the 2018 LC 500, have my respect in being the real deal from scratch and not some fakery.

It absolutely isn't at all and I've tried a great deal to help out with this, because a shift happened well over a year ago at Toyota. Tacoma slipped only a few months, while 4Runner is well over 1 year behind schedule. Tacoma is first, unless Toyota manages to production of the new 4Runner in late 2023 via Tahara in Japan, ahead of any other planned locations. Most I speak to, say early 2024 for the 4Runner, which runs parallel to next Tacoma.

Anything is possible, but only by a few months difference.

And we all thank you for your contributions DJ, because it's hard being such a secondary source. The messenger. Especially if it's not first-firsthand, with your eyes everyday and in the thick of it. None of us are 920B team members here, at least I think. In terms of online discussion, I felt very alone in discussing this timeline, as I had to be providing that info myself and had no one else echoing the same insight from other inside sources independently. No offense to anyone else, but it's always good to hear from anyone else has been told the same thing from a credible source and not just my own insight. For all I know I could've been misled, like I have before by some Toyota sources to send me on a tail-chasing mission.

In my case, it's not necessarily xenophobia, considering how TMMBC has been producing Tacomas since December 2004 on a trial basis and February 2005 officially, following NUMMI Job 1 in September 2004 for the 2005 Tacoma. It's the fact that Toyota mysteriously limited TMMBC in Tijuana to producing a limited set of Tacoma configurations and left all the cheddar and flagship/halo versions for either NUMMI or TMMTX. Nearly every 6MT Tacoma or majority of TRDs I observe, have 5T VIN prefixes, meaning USA. All of the rest with 3TM, where almost always Tacomas I would never consider buying as an enthusiast.

TMMGT being a relatively new plant, with lower wages than TMMTX annoyed me initially, but after learning it's even more state of the art and better than TMMBC for this reason, it's good enough to succeed TMMTX. Anyone having xenophobia, forget the main demographic in both California and San Antonio, isn't too different anyway. Both sides of the border, are almost the same roots, only maybe differing by estados or recency in roots, whether as longtime multi-generational Texans or first/2nd generation immigrants. I've been to TMMTX as a Texan (by upbringing) and noticed that a long time ago.

I'd be very careful with trusting him entirely, as he means well, but if he's wrong about anything, he will die on that hill and not change course, until it can destroy his credibility. Kept referring to the 4Runner as a 2023, despite me warning him it wasn't much of last year. He abruptly had to change course, when it all of a sudden didn't show up on a model chart for Year 2022 launches LMAO. I saw the light when someone called me aside to warn me, but he doubled down and looked very foolish.

The GX will be GX 550 and GX 550+ IIRC. Somehow I think I have seen it and I'm no longer too impressed, if that is it and not the TX instead.

This is not correct and seems to be a never ending rumor I keep hearing as a pessimistic mention in relation to the 4Runner, which needs to die in my opinion. Toyota has committed to body on frame for the near future, regardless of international threats by some global political bodies. The multi-billion dollar investment in TNGA-F, wouldn't have been justified if just making unibody replacements made sense. It's not outlandish though I'll admit. Make a heavier duty application of TNGA-K and spread it around for GX/4Runner/Prado. Then create a Ridgeline competitor out of it. But how viable would that be? Waste of resources and risk alienating buyers. The Highlander already exists and so does the Lexus RX as a unibody alternative. So will TX and Grand Highlander. A unibody Tacoma is senseless, for now at least.

To alternatively make a unibody RWD based architecture, would be prohibitively expensive and more akin to the GLS/GLE and X7/X5, plus Grand Cherokee. Toyota's never done it before and would have to charge an arm and a leg on top of current prices, to make the ROI worthwhile. Some Japanese entity did mention something like this for the next Prado, but it has since disappeared. A "uniframe" vehicle, which is not really different.

I'm not sure why people always run to these pessimistic unibody rumors, as it was once amusing, but it's very tiring at this point. I say that because, it often discredits other information put forward. With Toyota, often the more negative a rumor is, the more likely it's believed to be true in the eyes of the average owner, who is already pessimistic because they don't see much innovation (pre-TNGA). Especially when Toyota likes to be very conservative and even make regressive decisions, for successors at times (both pre, post TNGA launch).
Folks once lost a V8, to gain an I4 and kept same V6 in the 4Runner for 20 years. They use that as a measure, to expect the worst, even when it's not credible.

The Hilux is unrelated to the Tacoma in reality, as that's on Toyota's more rugged IMV architecture created in the early 2000s with developing or poor world regions in mind and developed world second. Toyota revised that in 2015 like Tacoma, in a parallel fashion. The Tacoma and 4Runner are related to the Land Cruiser Prado, with the Tacoma being a C-Channel version.
The long term game is to unify them on TNGA-F, instead of having them on separate BOF architectures. The Tacoma would never adopt the "Hilux platform", as it's for the more affluent and lifestyle focused buyer in USA and Canada. Only offered as the upmarket option in Mexico, alongside Hilux. If anything, the most demanding Hilux buyers could feel shafted with TNGA-F. Hopefully the Land Cruiser qualities, trickle down to Hilux.

It was probably never in consideration, as they know where their bread is buttered. The issue was the need for 4Runner and GX, a decade ago. Now has just been the waiting game, to launch a modular body on frame architecture from top to bottom. Tundra and Land Cruiser have come, now comes the rest.

Amen to that brother.

Again, big thanks. This has been bandied about hearsay for years now, which shows that people are either out of the loop or not bothering to check any info out there. I done as much as I can comment on TNGA-F on here and elsewhere, it's just puzzling if it's not known to another user at this point. This truck is a #1 seller, using the existing formula. Perfecting that and not changing too much, is the clear answer. I don't see where unibody comes up.

Folks might call me condescending or arrogant for taking any issue, but it gets real tiring trying to point out the same thing over and over and over, OVER the past 3.5 years to 6 years. I didn't comment here in 2016, but I did say that in a Lexus forum back then. Since early 2019, when Toyota teased the 2020 MMC, I decided it was time to declare it was the final midpoint and highlight a new truck for 2023 and TNGA-F would be the basis for this vehicle. Since 2019. Toyota hadn't even gone official on that modular BOF architecture and I knew about it since 2016. They went official in May 2021, via the new Land Cruiser.

By now I would hope that means no one is referencing outdated info, because that's why I do this. So that no one remains in the dark, at least in a concentrated subset, which doesn't hurt Toyota sales to large proportion (or maybe it has now?).

This just answers my concern, that people might be catching onto the next generation vehicle coming and are unwilling to pay more for the current truck.

Very well stated batacoma, I agree. Maybe people with YouTube feeds to TV or news articles, might have seen the BEV midsize truck as well? They probably are not too interested in shopping right now, if in less than 2 years a new truck comes out.

I am so tired of many of you not reading between the lines and spewing the same stuff over and over, as if we have not ALREADY touched on this before. I don't comment on something, if you I am not going to try and understand what's going on. Especially after nearly 3.5 years. Many other users and I have said, why the 3rd generation took 11 years to arrive and WHY as a result, Toyota wanted redesign it as early as LAST FALL for 2022 and as late as late 2023, going back to 2010-11! Which is when I was interning for them and heard about Gen 3 for the first time from a Toyota guy.

With time they made adjustments to that early projection, but as soon as things became definitive with development, things only began to slip a little beyond that planned 6-8 year run.

If you are not doing the thorough research and understanding what's happening with actual product planning at Toyota, then please don't comment in this manner, which challenges anyone who knows what you claim not to be true. From product planners to designers to other engineers, they do not agree with you on that 10 year theory.

I know nothing about rugby or what's happening with aviation, even though I know learjets to some degree and I'm a Brit by birth & have residence there. I avoid commenting on those topics, for that reason. Just like civil engineering, as I'm an engineer by training, but not with bridge construction or similar. I don't know everything and will learn about something first, before commenting and daring to finger wag to anyone else. I knew nothing about Toyota's plans for the future, until being shocked when looking at their own documents and seeing a MUCH earlier date for Gen 4 in 2016. I brought my knowledge here, starting in 2019. They have only fallen behind, 1.5 years from their 2016 projection of MY 2023 in August 2022.

When I see comments like this, it shows the person has not really bothered to read anything crucial and thoroughly understand, the backstory. They've already committed resources to this vehicle already for years and began development of prototype vehicles for it 12-13 months ago. Mules have been testing 8-9 months. For all I know, those "mules" are the final article itself, when studying how similar the Tundra the design is to Tundra. And I could be wrong about that at least.

And you'd be unwisely trusting the wrong person, who doesn't even know what they're talking about. If you wait another 3 years, that's only under 1.5 years it would be on the market. Waiting for the 3rd MY isn't the worst idea either.

True, but we still got 4 months to go (I guess), so 6 years and counting still works. I do agree though too, as many folks see 2016 and a literally act like it wasn't available until 2016 and then say "2022-2016 = 6 years, 4-5 left to go"... September of 2015, was when these were released to customers, so that's practically 7 years soon.

Yep, but after saying this for 3.5 years, I am sad how it has not caught on, that Toyota never intended this to run more than 10 years. They didn't even want that for the 1st gen, but ran into product planning issues and opted to do a heavy refresh for 2001MY. People can write me off as condescending, but I am only that way, if someone bypasses what you put forward, what others put forward, and I laid the foundation for, informatively. I didn't make this up. A guy who even posted here once, worked for Toyota and confided in me, that Gen 3 was a stop-gap, to get Tacoma and Tundra on a modular architecture down the road, while saving money in the interim. Midsize sales were essentially dead in 2009-2010, which dictated this decision.

I've said it time and time again. The search function, via typing in 2023, 2024, 2025 and would easily pull up credible discussion on this forum between all of us, yet so many folks are "too busy" to do that and would rather instead argue with or dismiss others who pay attention or arrive at the same answers, on their own. To be honest, it's 100x worse on YouTube, other Tacoma forums, and on Reddit, because egos don't want to be hurt by being corrected in any fashion. As usual, they will find out later when everything gets revealed, just like with the Tundra and everything one said coming true as stated. LMAO. Many guys said I was an idiot and a liar for saying in 2019-20 the Tundra wouldn't have a V8. Well...

When I am wrong, I correct course and try to steer the ship straight. Just wish everyone else reasoned that way, as it's a collective effort and not just one person.

Definitely not going to happen, they need the revenue to support it. They are working on it as fast as they can and with a design freeze in the spring of 2021, they need all the time and money they can get from then until late 2023. 2023 will run 14 months. Hilux will likely be joining TNGA-F and both sell in Mexico. Hilux as the downmarket pickup, Tacoma as the upmarket alternative, in already sharing a basis with the luxurious GX 460.

That is not how efficiencies of sale works, as they'd shoot themselves in the foot abandoning Tacoma, a best seller in any fashion. They'd sooner sacrifice a low selling and low margin model's production, to make room for Tacoma.

They are not. Either in parallel or shortly after Tacoma. That ship has sailed, as 4Runner got delayed if you remember anywhere between March 2020 and April 2021.

This fell behind, per credible news that began to surface about Prado in spring 2021 and then my being corrected in June 2021 about 4Runner being delayed 1 1/2 years.

Now, I don't want y'all to be fighting. DJinTN is not the opposition for anyone at Toyota, so it's easier for him. Me? I am lucky I am even acknowledged, as to them I could use what I hear to get the jump on Toyota and earn brownie points at work. Hence, many do not trust me or politely decline to discuss future product. The few who do at all, limit it in a round-the-way manner. They focus on timelines and the rest is up to me, to piece together in most cases.

A refresh definitely doesn't describe either vehicle, as they're all-new from scratch. 2023 is not accurate in any sense in terms of MY, which would mean this year. Now, for year of debut? Totally accurate I imagine. That's ground zero for reveals.

Yes, that is where my contact on the 4Runner works apparently. He is who warned me (to essentially shut up about 2023) and save my ass from further embarrassment. Very nice about it too, while everyone else called out my ignorance. I should've stayed up to date on that front, especially after a pandemic. In reality, it was the hybrid that caused the delays.

From what I have heard finally, yes.

This is not going to be accurate, because it betrays the business model in the worst way. Irrespective of market conditions. Tundra production continued until autumn 2021, there's no reason why that should change for Tacoma. Toyota has no interest in waiting on us, except for some late stage benchmarking next year. Even at that, it's too late. They already know enough probably, as all of us talk between each other anyway.

Hi friend, I've just been overwhelmed with so much and lost my password, which was extra complicated and I didn't feel resetting it for months. As you said, yes that is a running issue for me and I get sick of it, but much more so on the rest of the internet. I had a very long rant on a 4Runner forum about this in 5-6 weeks ago, but I couldn't keep up with debunking misinformation and was disappointed in people trusting the wrong folks, as if I had put effort into keeping everyone else informed.

I write up vehicle development stories and hosted bi-daily polls on classic spy shots or never before seen studio photos, starting in March. I had little time to log in here as a result.

Yep, Funny thing is, it wasn't digital. It was life-size and a real plastic model, which are expensive to make. I still don't understand that early showcase, of a best seller.
Other than everyone else had played their hand and Toyoda felt confident, exposing his own cards.

I boycott them, because their dumbasses doubled on calling it a 2023 model, particularly after I told them they were full of it with their misreporting and clickbait BS. Good spy content, terrible narration and the worst levels of ignorant buffoonery I've seen, which has seemingly garnered them a big audience...

Don't worry I'm not gone, just don't be mad at me for my most recent posts. It's not directed at everyone, just a few loudmouths, trying to dismiss what has already been established for all of us. And maybe crossing and dotting some t's and i's, on some stuff forgotten. We're all so busy with life, this is small stuff by comparison. That being said, it doesn't mean some folks get to come and dismiss accurate accounts being put forward and shared already, in favor of their relatively misinformed opinion. Sometimes even plainly, stubborn & uninformed. This made sense maybe 3 years ago, when this was new info on "not a 10 year run" or "before 2025/26". Repeating the same BS over and over however after all that time, I'm just exhausted.

Short of Toyota implementing a new 6 month delay or total collapse of global economy at ALL levels of socioeconomic classes, Toyota is redesigning this in less than 2 years. They've used the same frame basis since 2002, in some form for either 4Runner or Tacoma. It's time to move on and some people act like because it appeared for 2016, it's the freshest bread. It's old news internally, in having not developed an all new Tacoma since 2003 (when sign-off happened for '05 engineering).

It's one thing to take stuff with a grain of salt, but to outright dismiss our insight, like we're all somehow idiots, says more than enough about the individuals themselves. Their heads are stuck in the sand and they can't get out of it and just don't want to I figure. I'm more worried about off of this forum, but such numbers are the majority. I've sadly resolved on that front and I'm content once this forum is fully on track, it all will speak for itself when this truck is revealed and I am right once again.

Even as a competitor, this is really unfortunate. I am no friend of GM, so with Toyota I do feel for them. I have never liked the new T1XX half-tons nor the HDs, so Toyota having these issues is sad after a 15 year run up to this.

I first saw the 3G Tacoma in person in January 2015, while visiting from England as part of JLR staff at the 2015 NAIAS and hated the excessive chrome. They definitely fixed that for 2018 as a mini-refresh and did even more for 2020, which holds firm through 2023.

Kevin Hunter and the teams under him at CALTY, have done a fine job designing the next truck, if that BEV is 90% representative of it as Toyota contacts are saying. It's not 100%, but it's extremely close I hear. Even if Automotive Press, wants to shy away from that likelihood and keep selling his rendering as credible.

Prototype is a good name for that BEV showcase, because if it is representative of something already in development, it's a much better descriptor than "concept" maybe.

The names were ditched IIRC, to became more "modern" in the late 1980s and early 1990s. Names across the grille or bed/trunk, all of a sudden seemed old fashioned. The Toyota emblem debuted in 1989 for the 1990 model year, to echo Lexus. Moved to the 4Runner and Pickup in late 1991 and January 1992 (4Runner update) for '92 model year. They kept it for the bed on the Tacoma, with the 2001 model entirely abandoning it IIRC or maybe that was for 1998 (July 1997), when a small refresh made dual airbags standard (first "compact" pickup with them) and ditched sealed beams for 4x4s.

As everything grew more car-like, they got rid of stuff that traditional truck buyers heavily favored to attract suburbanites.

Yep, people have to be careful with what they think to be credible, as it just might not be . @sporin, do you think I might be wrong and these might be full fledged prototypes already? The Fascia being so identical to the Tundra has me thinking that, by looking at the EV concept. I could easily be wrong. On that front at least, I am just speculating. The head of prototyping for 920B, began working on prototypes in May 2021. How can I be certain that these are mules, as that is one aspect I won't know about for a fact. I know they are for 920B, but what stage is a mystery ultimately? I'm probably right about them being mules, as they look way more cleaned up the Tundra mules in 2019-20, but still a bit less cleaned up than the prototype testers of 780B Tundra from late 2020 to 2021.

These first appeared in the fall of last year, following what I know for a fact, to be a spring 2021 design freeze. At that point, when the final aspects of styling were fully signed off by engineers and no more alterations to be made by any department. Designers after were done with their own work at CALTY, probably 18 months ago and handed it off to engineering. Prototypes cannot be developed, unless styling is fully finalized and dimensions are well defined. Kevin Hunter mentioned this truck as a very done deal last September, at Tundra reveal.

Thanks btw!
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Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate all the knowledge you bring to these forums!

I am really looking forward to the next gen tacoma. I just can't stand prices getting out of hand. If toyota offers a v6 twin turbo option which you say is possible I'm sure it would be on like trd pro trim only. I wouldn't be surprised if the trd pro price sky rockets similar to raptor territory.

I wish I did what you did for a living! I may send you a message as I'm curious to your thoughts on some things.

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Doctor_Bear said: ↑

The artist rendering in the article is pretty close considering that toyota already revealed a spec car of the Tacoma EV.

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I tried contacting Toyota to see if there was going to be an interest list with deposit on the new EV Tacoma...what an adventure!

Johnny919 · May 11, 2022

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24 combined isn’t too bad. Maybe the hybrid will be closer to 30.

The Ford eco boost were anything but, did increase low end torque. Which is arguably one of the biggest complaints about the Tacoma.
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The new tundra is rated at 18/24 est mpg. The tacoma is rated at 18/22 est mpg. I'm just looking at toyotas website when you click on trucks. (Before actually selecting the tundra or tacoma)

You would hope the next gen tacoma has more mpg than that.

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