Redesigned Tacoma in 2023?

Toyota is keeping Electric Lime? That's going to be quite interesting looking on a Long Bed Sport.

 

The press release confirms Electric Lime for OR and Sport trims.

 

I made no such statements. Please show me where I said what you claim I did. I’m at a loss here. I’ve never said what you’re accusing me of saying. Show me the post, please.

 

apologies, it was someone else. just looked back. it was garret something or other.

 

LOL!

 

Hey, stop it, I am sensitive today

 

Redditors be like

 

LOL!

 

Same. We have 88k on my wife's 2016 4R TEP, and 12k on the 21 Tacoma OR - really like the new architecture of the Sequoia/Tundra, but can wait at least a few years for the bugs to get ironed out and the systems to get introduced into the 4R/Taco platforms.

 

I wasn't saying that, because you are helping provide information too. Your wording basically told me, it was a 2023 introduction. But with the launch date, I can see Toyota pushing it back to a private event in late 2023.

Very good guess, considering how accurate that turned out to be possibly?

I'm sorry about the length. It's even worse when I miss typos and it can entirely throw off a message and leave the reader frustrated. The next generation Land Cruiser Prado is said to "borrow" the V35A-FTS 3.4L TTV6 from VJA300 Land Cruiser, which is also in the Tundra in two tunes. One with 348 hp and the rest are 389 hp. What are GX550 and GX550h is my question? TTV6 from what I hear, but what exact tune is my question? Me thinks Lexus refuses to let GX surpass LX600, so this time around GX550h is a more powerful than GX550.

Thanks my man. Always appreciated, as I just want to set things straight. I am loving that others set things straight as well, because it doesn't help when misleading narratives are allowed to go unchecked and become popular rumor. It's honestly a collective and I am pissed at TFL, because a lot of what I tried to prevent, happened no thanks to them. They got called out, banned and deleted my comments, kept calling the next truck a 2023, until this past week.

Yes, but it's always great to be able to read between the lines earlier right? Know what's coming, but careful to trust everything you read. I'll admit, I wasn't interested in any of this, until the facelift arrived in 2019. I knew in 2015-16, but the 3rd generation was so new to market, it wasn't even worth my interest 6-7 years out LOL. 3-4 years out at mid-life, I start turning my eyes to next gen and see what I can find.

No one should trust me solidly, on anything outside of powertrain.

I have a very big issue as of late, because someone out of Plano has expressed that the 2024 Tacoma looks nothing like the Tundra. I have not seen the vehicle obviously and find this claim troubling, when other people say it is close to this BEV Concept. On this front, I would just wait and see. Just like with powertrain.

Yes, pretty much. Other people are not figuring out the "right formula", for piecing together Toyota information. I have been seeing other Toyota forum users begin to do this independent of me and it's honestly impressive, because I can also learn from others if I am ever out of the loop.

This is indeed accurate, as it's a rendering, while a fullsize representation was shown on stage with Akio Toyoda.

(Sighs) Not again...

Thanks, this would indeed help a lot. I wouldn't count on it though, unless DJinTN can help force that through.

No, that really doesn't describe you at all. That label belongs to some really, stubborn and LOUD folks, who I'd say thankfully rarely encounter on here. That's more Disqus comment sections and on YouTube, which is the Wild West compared to TW.

That clown, haha. Shadowbanned me a few months ago, for trying to set him straight on the Tacoma. I forgot to mention that his stupid video right here, is one reason to avoid him to the umpteenth level. Don't watch it LOL, but it's just reference as to the BS folks put out and then try to save face, by putting the fingers back at me, for them misleading people.

Redesigned Toyota Tacoma Worries Me - YouTube

I think the same 3.44L is the only new 6 cylinder block being offered by Toyota. Toyota is just detuning it for midsize applications I imagine. Now, this is speculation on my part. I haven't confirmed that at all, unlike the timelines.

LOL, hopefully not. I expect that the body on frame applications will be adjusted as needed, but not to far off of course. The hybrid and possible TTV6, can make up for this.

Yes, but some folks are mentioning TTV6 being on offer. Doesn't fit Toyota's new pattern, but I'll definitely wait and see on that one. This info came from someone else out of Plano, very early this year and I first made mention on another forum. 3 powertrains of 2 Dynamic Force I4 applications and 1 Dynamic Force V6, likely V35A-FTS.

Winner, this is close. Biggest engine we put in it was the I5 diesel, because it could not fit V-configuration engines. Only inline. Best choice was the 2.3L Ecoboost for the interim.

I remember that although the 3.5 GR block has been around since the mid-2000s, that the 2GR-FKS application made its debut in September 2015 in the 2016 Tacoma. Lexus didn't get this engine until November 2015, via the Japanese built GS 350 and redesigned 2016 RX 350 in December 2015. The teething issues were not surprising, as seen with the new application of V35A-FTS for North American built vehicles sourced via the Alabama plant (since October 2021).

WOW, that is just something else! I didn't even know about 930B as another internal designation code. This is the first and only source online. I've seen "Toyota 930B", but I never made the connection to the Tacoma! You see everyone? I am not the main person on this LOL. Very well done, complete winner!

I believe that vehicle is GX 550 and it is indeed a TTV6. Either a match for the base Tundra at 348 hp or maybe due to premium unleaded fuel, up to 390 hp against 409 hp in LX 600. That 348 hp V6, could easily end up in a top end Tacoma TRD Pro. If it is coming to the Tacoma like a source claimed.

Don't you know it? It's such a headache, with idiots like this and then the clueless, espousing silly sour grapes over the damn obvious.

If someone truly wanted to know "what is coming", then they'd exercise some due diligence and sift past the BS. In terms of easy instant gratification, they treat vloggers like they're the holy grail and trust the wrong ones too easily. Every idiot (excludes many wise people) out there saw those first spy shots last fall and jumped to the lazy conclusion, it was for 2023. Having seen quite a bit in terms of scheduling, personnel assignments, and etc, I knew for a fact, Toyota didn't deviate from 2024. Yet, these vloggers could easily have found half of what I knew on Google and DIDN'T. Some demanded one email them with the goods, but I refused. I don't give away any insight for free like that, unless in a forum like this.

Countless Toyota employees have been addressing this truck as a 2024 model since 2019-20, so it's funny how once those loudmouths and clickbait artists saw spy shots, they bet on the wrong horse (2023 this year). We won on that front LOL.

Maybe after reveal that makes sense. For the Lexus forums, I notice that's what they do at least. The Tacoma is rather Lexus-adjacent funny enough.

I agree, but sometimes it can be even later than that depending on the forum. However, I think going off of the Tundra forum, they created a section for it early, due to the fact it was monumental after a 14 year run.

I think all of us are just joking in utter annoyance, at how so many people have missed what you've said, what I've said, and many of us who frequent these sections.

It was crazy to realize early on (in 2015-16) for me, how I had noticed Toyota was redesigning and replacing the 3rd gen Tacoma rather quickly and nobody seemed to have commented on that back then. A 7-year run. Other than a small Lexus online circle and the odd comment here or there regarding TNGA-F, I didn't say much about the June 30, 2022 EOP date I had seen for Gen 3 nor the July 2022 SOP for the next generation vehicle.

That of course later changed to Q3/August 2023 around the time a mid-cycle/MMC refresh appeared for 2020, which was shortly after I signed up to discuss this long held info in January 2019. Since early 2020, it doesn't make sense for anyone here to be skeptical of that insight, when nothing out there could discredit it either. Until you came into the picture, it was very hard to be confident on some aspects, such as any new delays in real time. Thank you for being consistent and confirming that there was an actual delay, back in January here.

Unfortunately. It's not as bad as other websites, forums, and comment sections though. Some of the most stupid bullshit I come across, is cancerous on these easy-to-deduce topics. All because, Saint AutomotivePress, Lord TFL, Sir Robmotive, and the House of Clickbait, told them different.

You've been in this for 3.5 years and I greatly commend you, as your posts are the ones I can trace back to early 2019. I was drive-by posting in 2019-2020 and disappearing for months at a time. You and several others, were consistently keeping it straight when I was MIA, especially when you didn't have to trust my word on it at all. I came here in 2019, because I noticed a void for 3-4 years on this subject.

Why? Based on previous generations, people reasonably expected to not see a redesign for another full decade. So such research wasn't on the radar yet, in being considered too soon to think about and more relevant to focus on the new Gen 3.

Naturally, how I found out about the Gen 4 in 2015-16, was a random footnote as a young engineer in England one evening. I stumbled upon a big list of Toyota North American production assembly plans through 2022 and it showed that the Tacoma EOP was June 30, 2022. I felt it was early to be accurate, so I didn't exactly jot it down in an easily accessible place. In reality, whatever source that was got deleted/locked/wiped/lost. Like the 2021 Bronco, I had been seeing a void in reliable and informative media coverage for a long time on the future of the nameplate (Tacoma) and realized, it was an unknown. However, it really wasn't. I simultaneously seized the opportunity to "handle" the Bronco on Bronco6G, next F-150 (P702), T6 Ranger, and to unify discussion of future TNGA-F models too.

From 2017 to 2020, many stupid media sites called the Bronco a 2020 model and raised expectations to a ridiculously bad level. I spent a very long time trying to similarly counteract all of that, as I knew it was originally due to enter production on December 7, 2020 and launch in early 2021. I was proven right finally in 2020, only for the pandemic to cause chaos with that launch and delay it 4 to 24 months (backorders/pandemic). See a pattern with me LOL?

In 2019, I had known about TNGA-F for a few years and the majority of news media didn't for some inexcusable reason. They didn't care, so they weren't passing this onto their regular readers. That essentially became my job, when I realized the only people checking on Toyota like I was doing and reporting on it, were all at Lexus and didn't pay much service to the Tacoma. Maybe the Land Cruiser, 4Runner, or Tundra (smaller degree), but not the Tacoma. Over here, it was crickets and wild speculation, that often drew quick derision due to the seemingly premature nature of discussion.

It became goal numero for me back in January 2019, to first establish on TW that the big news was, that the 3G Tacoma was not going to have a long cycle like previous generations. I then realized afterward, how this was a difficult bridge to cross, against a huge wave of skeptics. A big thread got deleted in 2020, after I was attacked by some dumbass members.

When you have the first generation truck launched in March 1995 as a 1995.5 and not replaced until October 18, 2004, for the 2005 model year, it gives an impression to them.

Then when you have that model go through 3.5 refreshes and not being replaced until September 11, 2015 for 2016 MY, it shows a pattern and as humans, we follow patterns. I pointed out that the extreme similarities between both generations (2015< vs 2016+), was due to carryover aspects making it a light redesign as a stop-gap or placeholder. I mentioned MY 2023 then, barring delays (which did happen). Once a delay occurred, I corrected course quickly in early 2020 and informed everyone here, to update their expectations. Only one change has occurred, the extra 4 month delay. (Either DJinTN echoed the mention of August 2023 SOP, September 2023 launch changing to December 2023 recently. They seem to have deleted their post...)

It took us both 3 years on here to gradually get this all across, but yet we still have the odd comments trying to discredit the obvious and acting like they've done the research for even 1 second. I can't imagine how annoying that must be to the rest of you, whenever I am logged off. It's simple harmless stuff, but misinformation isn't necessary if one bothers to check stuff.

I showed you some stuff via PM awhile back and it's not even everything, but I felt you deserved that for your effort. You know 1000% what's happening based off of those dates you saw. Those who don't care to know and keep repeating random years far into the future, should know I won't give them any proof in a forum post. Being that most of it amounts to almost doxing Toyota employees. They can take it or leave it honestly, but at least they know for a fact not to expect anything for 2023.

Yikes, I have to check power to weight ratios on these...

Haha, I think the nostalgic appeal today is the rugged, yet still almost carlike layouts people miss. It is scary how much power the 1/2 ton and HD pickups have, when you see how they're used in traffic by some of the bros behind the wheel. It's become overkill, even as someone contemplating a TRX for my NM residence and owner of several Raptors. I don't like what I see, with what can look like a runaway train in the image of a lifted pickup barreling down the road or tailgating random people.

I appreciate this, as I understand Toyota's dedicated business principles in regard to reliability, but it does make me uncomfortable participating here if it's going to be a pissing contest and Ford hatefest, like that dreadful site called Pick Up Truck News. Those idiots all migrated to TFL of course when the comment section closed on PUTC. I get pretty annoyed on Ford forums, whenever discussion takes that trajectory. GM Lifers are the worst in that regard, followed by Blue Oval ********. I try to not play favorites, even if one of them pays my salary.

 

no worries on the length of your posts. They are obviously informative.

 

Yeah, I thought so. Plus my professor wife teaches a couple digital media courses at the college here, kinda had an inkling…

Oh it is horrible out there, pretty much ignore the majority of it. Gave up on TFL years ago, it was clear to me they had no experience in the automotive world, and merely were jumping on the click bait band wagon. Will say Andre is learning and has come along way since they started. We all had to start somewhere.

Nostalgia is best left in the past, I used to be nostalgic, but now when I jump in one of the old trucks…(had a thing for 70s Fords) they feel barbaric to me now. While I resisted it for awhile…machines are supposed to make our lives easier, growing to like all the new fangled gee gaws.

The current hp/tq wars are reminiscent of the muscle car era, just another pissing match. My guess guys buy those things because of inadequacies elsewhere in their lives. The 3.5 in the current Tacoma has more power than I’ll ever use as I typically drive no faster than 65 and keep the RPMs below 2000, a little more bottom end would be nice since that is where I do 99.9% of my driving.

 

Cliff notes version: Anything could happen to the next gen Tacoma engine offerings.

Foot note: I filled my truck yesterday and it was more than $80.00

 

Maybe get a real TRD sport

 

Wanted to say thanks to both @DJinTN and @Carmaker1 for the info on this thread - found it quite interesting!

One of the things I'm most curious about though is what we'll get for the interior dimensions. I'm really hoping for some extra legroom for the backseats (and maybe a little wider overall), but given the render/model that was on stage with Akio Toyoda (and the reduced legroom in the double cab Tundra), I'm skeptical.

 

Yeah, that's one thing with the smaller trucks, the backseat room sucks unless you scrunch the front seaters more

 

Well a BEV powertrain is confirmed so far but most likely the V6 is dead in the 4th Gen Tacoma.

 

Hope not, the Tacoma is as big as I want it…any bigger it becomes a full-size truck. Feels like the perfect Goldilocks size between the old minitrucks and todays full sizes. If you want more rear legroom probably should buy a Tundra Crew Max.

I don’t have to sit back there, so doesn’t matter to me! lol! It is a really good way to get out of having to play taxi.

 

Exactly why I shouldn't have bought the '16. Total pile of crap.

 

My brother has a 2017 tundra crewmax TRD pro, the amount of room in the back seat is insane.

I agree I don't want the tacoma to get bigger but if they can somehow manage just slightly more room in the back seat without changing the overall dimensions that would be awesome.