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Reinstall swaybar for service?

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by andthen, Mar 23, 2023.

  1. Mar 24, 2023 at 4:11 PM
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    stevesnj

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    Anti sway bar is considered a safety feature. Removing it and if you roll or swerve into someone and it's purposely removed insurance won't cover you and you the driver are 100% liable for any damages or loss of life.
     
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  2. Mar 24, 2023 at 4:17 PM
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    Genuinely curious. Were there cases like this?

    Also, what if someone buys a used Tacoma and they had no idea that sway bar was removed?
     
  3. Mar 24, 2023 at 4:19 PM
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    Dunno, my friend was an auto insurance agent and I asked him this once about my Land Cruiser and that's what he told me.
     
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  5. Mar 24, 2023 at 4:34 PM
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    I'm going to put this in the low probability category.

    And before you raise your pitchforks, yes of course a sway bar reduces rollover risk.

    In real world, a) I was taught that in a true surprise emergency it's usually better to just take the straight line hit than risk the roll (or worse, send your vehicle on a trajectory that you haven't visually cleared yet), and b) most rolls are one vehicle wrecks. What are the odds that your rollover kills an occupant in a different vehicle?

    It's it a risk? Yep. Have I dismissed the risk? No. I've given it careful thought. Have I looked at the risk and decided that the benefits still exceed the risk? For me, yes. It's up to everyone else whether they are willing to accept the same.
     
  6. Mar 24, 2023 at 4:37 PM
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    I may not have ever read an owners manual for anything. Is there anything in there saying not to modify the vehicle?
     
  7. Mar 24, 2023 at 4:38 PM
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    Absolutely, anyone is free to decide to remove it. Just have to remember when you start putting weight on the truck, on top, armor, stuff in the bed and you change the physics with that added weight, especially on top, they should decide this very carefully.
     
  8. Mar 24, 2023 at 4:42 PM
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    And again, this is just for me personally, I really did not feel comfortable riding sans bar on stock suspension. It's only after I switched to an aftermarket suspension that felt almost too stiff with bar, that I felt comfortable removing it.
     
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  9. Mar 24, 2023 at 4:45 PM
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    This is a good point.

    It is a very good point. So is a stock truck with stiffer shocks better or worse than running around with a RTT and the bed loaded?
     
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    Well stiffer or different shocks and springs do the same as the stock versions. They help maintain tire to road contact. They aren't an anti sway device.
     
  11. Mar 24, 2023 at 5:03 PM
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    Yes and no. One really has to get into the world of rheology, dampening rates and rebound rates to understand shock dynamics. A well engineered shock will reduce body roll/nose-dive. A simple swaybar will transfer load from the inside corner to the outside.

    Different things, but there's some overlap in the overall effect. A shock with different dampening properties can reduce roll if it's replacing an inferior shock. But it's important to note that the shock alone will not transfer load (weight) to the outside wheel.

    As a driver, that stays on my mind. I don't push the truck to the point where that physical distinction deviates, even in an emergency.
     
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    Just don't put a spare tire on top like Jeepers do. lol
     
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    Lol, yeah CoG is a whole can of worms.
     
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    My point is people say, "The engineers know better." Best part is most of those people disable the start-stop lol.
     
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    Who would want to use that feature? I doubt if there's even a measurable amount of fuel savings with start stop. All it does is render your vehicle inoperable while in traffic by shutting off the engine.
     
  16. Mar 24, 2023 at 5:49 PM
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    Do you own a vehicle with it?
     
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    Yes it's a stupid feature. I have seen automotive journalists share the same opinions.


    It's a dumb
     
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    My wife's Lincoln has it and I have never had any issues with it. I don't see why people hate it, but to each their own. Tacoma sway bar removal is an easy mod that improves the ride and I haven't noticed any adverse effects.
     
  19. Mar 24, 2023 at 6:00 PM
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    I don't see the hate for the start stop either. It sure as hell isn't using MORE fuel, it could use less, that's cool by me. Took all of maybe five days to convince myself not to give a crap and now I could care less.
     
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    As rock lobster said,there is some overlap.

    I would argue that in quick transitions the shock is more important to roll than the sway bar, in long turns it is reversed.
     

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