SAS TIME

Does the sump face the front of the truck? Picture of said oil pan. And if you have a v8 YOU NEED A DANA 60. PERIOD

 

I have pics on my build page, and I will be using 14" travel coil overs With a three link kit, not standard shocks, to make up for the extra weight of the v8, some of my avid off roading Toyota drivers gave me that idea.

 

i would agree, if you have a V8 i would not bother with the weak 44 (hell the early toyota front axle is better then a 44 stock for stock)
get either 60s or build up some ford9s

 

I'm planning in using a tg or ruff stuff one, I keep changing my mind, but leaning more torwards a ruff stuff cuz I know a guy that works there

 

Even with the V8 the 44 will be ok depending on tire size and driving style. Toyota axles if built can handle 38-42s, granted you break stuff often but your always going to break stuff.

 

Okay.. the housing isn't a complete axle. It's not even a 3rd of an axle. You still need all the guts and outer shit....

No. I break with a 44 with my 150 HP engine. Everyone has different wheeling styles but in order to wheel hard and save money and headaches and bull shit time wrenching on the trail and at home you go with a D60. D60's HARDLY ever break. They are designed to be put under 8k pound 350 HP trucks. OP will 100% absolutely need a D60. It's FOOLISH not to run one. For the price you pay to build a D60 is cheaper than a D44.

A 100% COMPLETELY built with top notch parts of a D44 are not as strong as a STOCK d60.

 

I already have the inners, outlets, third, hubs and brakes for the axle, now I just need te actual housing and a hi steer kit

 

Go dana 60 supra is right 100% this coming from someone who has a 44 and is swaping to a 60. i break on 35s and on my new 40s. actually less on the 40s but its super annoying.... just some advice man

 

For a D60?

If you need a housing, get a ruffstuff. Absolutely top notch quality.

Exactly. I will make the move to a D60 when the money is right

 

Keep im mind that if you switch to passenger drop a ,doubler will not only be far farcheaper but you can ditch the POS stock chain driven case.Without dropping 2k on a lefty.

 

I disagree. It depends on your driving style. I know someone in a light CJ who would disagree with that. Last trip he broke a knuckle, a cromoshaft and a dana300. The trip before that it was a ring gear. While a Heavy 4door JK with a dana 30 and 37s went through the same trail with no carnage. I would prefer a 4.7 and a built 44 to a heavy right foot anyday.

Depending if you belive a controled shop test compared to real life...

http://www.toyotaoffroad.com/Articles/Reviews/Longfield/Longfield.htm

 

Not trying to be a jerk, but if you dont know which axle you need to run. Or at least what size... You will probably be just fine with a toyota axle. It can be a pain to narrow shit and need custom steering. While if you just go with the yota axle there will be a lot more plug and play options. More used parts availible a passenger drop will give u much cheaper tcase options.

 

This isn't even the same scenario. We aren't retarded jeeps. That's fine if you disagree, but you are wrong. EVERYONE That has used a D44 first for SAS has regretted it. There is not one person that swaped a D44 and later didn't want to upgrade it because it's fragile environment.

Why the fuck would you wheel lightly? You converted a truck that has weak suspension components in the front to be able to beat the shit out of it on the trail. I try to wheel lightly and so far I have had VERY few problems. But every single time I am wheeling I am always worried about breaking. I fail trails because I am worried if I push it too hard it will break. With a D60 I could literally right foot to the ground all day, full lock, full stuff, bouncing, hoping. All I am going to do is tear mother earth right up and my tires.

A 4.7 crawl box will make everything worse on your drive-train. The low gear ratio / torque ratio is insane. There is way more torque going through your truck than you want on a 1/2 ton components.

I too, am not trying to be a jerk. I am telling you real life facts that I have experienced and the hundreds of fellow SAS toyota's have experienced. Go to Pirate4x4 and tell them you will be fine with a D44 and a V8, I dare ya

As far as your Toyota axle comment goes, there is no plug and play when it comes to a SAS. And honestly running a Toyota axle requires more work than just using a driver drop Dana axle.

Until you convert your own truck, wheel it however many times to it's limits, then IMO you can make assumptions on people being fine.

 

I know a bunch of people who haven't regretted it. Who are you?

Why did you have a shop put a D44 in your truck in the first place?

Sure, the torque is much higher but you are also traveling slower at a more controlled pace. What breaks shit is rock bouncing then sudden shock loads. If you install 4.7's, it's assumed you won't be hitting full throttle assaults in 5th gear to try and "wheel" up an obstacle. You are also able to have a much better feel for when the truck is binding up so you can ease up before stuff breaks. Do you always talk out of your ass? Because you speak like everyone in the offroading community wheels like you do. Quit trying to be internet badass

I feel I can make these remarks because I used to own a 98 Taco with a D44 up front and a 4.7 crawl box on 37's with 2 lockers. I also know personally, a couple dozen people who have D44's or similar 1/2 ton equipment that are happy with what they have. The wheeling out here in CA is quite a bit different than southern style wheeling.

 

Slower speeds? I had no clue how a crawl box worked, thank you. Shit does break when you rock bounce there is no doubt. I have seen shit break when people put it in low range and they are so bound up it happens, its called TRACTION. As soon as they throttled, "pop".

I never talk out of my ass, though you can gladly come kiss it if you like. I tell shit how it is, and until you really realize that, then you aren't a wheeler. Everyone wheels different, but pretty much all come to the same conclusion and that's conquering the trail.

You always claim you use to have a SAS truck, yet no pictures or any other facts you have to back up the truck. Who are you? The community that love the D44 are the jeep people. Since half of their trucks come with the D30 which is a lousy axle. Of course they love the D44, it's just like us switching to a D60.

As far as wheeling out in CA (or out west) is way different. Midwest wheeling is more difficult due to no traction, however with no traction = longer lasting parts. Shit holds up in the MW way better than out there. It's pretty hard to break anything if your wheel can never get traction. If there was ever a time to need a stronger axle, out west would be EXACTLY where it is needed.

 

If you actually wanna wheel the piss outa your truck...D60 or dont bother.

If you just wanna be SA to be cool...D44.

 

This is what I've been told as well (Dana 44), & I wish I'd kept my '83 straight axle

 

Yota axles all the way

 

I'm just speechless at your reply, it's making me laugh. You've spent far too much time lurking on Pirate and adopted their attitude towards newbie type questions (this place is full of them). Keep acting like Mr. Internet Tough guy

Here is my old truck. And for the record, I still think a Dana 44 is a good starting point for a Tacoma and someone just getting into it. Not everyone NEEDS to swap a D60 in right off the bat, like you are pushing.

Here is my last Tacoma, axle swapped in 2004 with a pretty much stock Wagoneer 44 and had stock axles the entire time I owned it. Drove it to Moab once to wheel then drive home, Arizona once to wheel then drive home and numerous trips to the Rubicon and similar trails in the Sierra and Socal. All of those trips were with dual cases and 2 lockers and drove home every single time. Once on the Rubicon with no front locker and no crawl box. I am telling you first hand (since I had one ), you can feel when the truck is binding up and if you want to break stuff, keep going. There is A LOT more technical control with a crawl box, but you'll never understand since the type of wheeling you do is far too hardcore for that

 

Nice pics !! & you guys can argue all ya want... All I know is I just love this 2000 & hope to achieve....