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Sealant / ceramic ?

Discussion in 'Detailing' started by Dawgs1125mbsr, Jun 7, 2020.

  1. Jun 8, 2020 at 4:33 AM
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    Never tried any, always heard the fillers don't last long enough to be worth it.
     
  2. Jun 8, 2020 at 5:20 PM
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    Some people like having fillers in their wax / sealant because they either don't know how to correct or don't know what correction is. Or they've seen those commercials where somebody wipes "Product X" on the hood of a wreck in the junkyard, wipes it off and the paint looks like new. (Because that's the only way that trick works.)

    In my opinion, the problem with anything with fillers in it is that you're simply putting lipstick on a pig. Said another way, you're hiding defects instead of removing them. Any detailer worth their salt would rather correct the defects, then use a wax / sealant / coating to seal, protect and add depth to a beautiful finish.
     
  3. Jun 8, 2020 at 5:21 PM
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    That would be the other problem with most fillers. One good car wash and they're pretty well gone.
     
  4. Jun 8, 2020 at 7:32 PM
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    How long does the 32oz bottle last you at that rate?
     
  5. Jun 9, 2020 at 3:28 AM
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    Which one as they are both 32 oz
     
  6. Jun 9, 2020 at 3:42 AM
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    Sorry, the spray sealant after each wash
     
  7. Jun 9, 2020 at 3:53 AM
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    Couple of seasons, as after I wash my truck and air dry it. I really focus on the flat areas with it. I keep up on the hood, and roof more than the sides.
     
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    I also use the Paint Sealant on all plastic, glass, and my wheels.
     
  9. Jun 10, 2020 at 3:07 AM
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    A lot of car care products that can be bought through auto part stores contains some sought of fillers. Meguiars NXT Tech Wax can concealed blemishes. Durability is roughly 2 to 3 months . Any products that can hide the appearance of swirls or blemishes without any form of paint correction, contains fillers.

    Glazes that contains fillers, they're short lived.

    I don't know if the new Ceramic waxes coming out has the ability to concealed blemishes.
     
  10. Jun 10, 2020 at 3:20 AM
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    This is why a lot of car care company use some sort of fillers. The average consumer doesn't know how to do paint correction. These products appealed to a large group of consumers.

    Not every vehicle can be corrected. If the clear coat microns reading are to low. This is when fillers can be useful.

    What do you think of Optimum Clear Coat Restorer?
     
  11. Jun 10, 2020 at 3:22 AM
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    Although I'm generally a big fan of Optimum products, I haven't tried that one yet.
     
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    Is it a Professional only product?
     
  13. Jun 10, 2020 at 3:33 AM
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    Optimum products in general, no. This particular product, no idea.
     
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    I'm using Blackfire Sealant as well using a DA/polisher. First is a wash followed by a clay then the sealant. Let it cure of 24 hours and then use Blackfire Carnuba Wax using a DA/polisher. The results are amazing. Our Tacomas live outside so the freshly clean/waxed look is somewhat short lived because of dust and pollen but even when dirty, they still look amazing. They really do have a "wet" look and the paint is super slick. I'm a novice in using DA/polishers but I'm extremely satisfied with the results despite my lack of experience....
     
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    I'm glad you're happy with the results you're getting. It definitely sounds like the environment your vehicles live in is "challenging" to say the least.

    One thing I might point out though is that using a DA (or any kind of polisher) to apply most sealants and waxes doesn't really gain you much since those products do no have any paint correction ability. The real purpose of a polisher is to give you the extra power (over hand application) that you need to properly correct surface defects. Applying a wax or sealant over a properly corrected surface adds depth and protection. It sounds like you're ready to take the next step and start correcting paint with your DA. That would require different products. Then, it's down the rat hole the rest of us fell into many years ago!
     
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    On both trucks I did some very minor correction using 105 and an LC orange pad to remove some moderate scratches. I went slowly and started with 205 but no joy. Changed to 105 and I was able to remove them. I am moving cautiously and slowly. I don't want to create any more issues and by going slowly I'm getting a feel for using my machines and the pad & product combinations. I've got a lot to learn in this arena but I do find it fascinating. To keep things real, I recognize that I'll never reach perfection and perfection isn't practical. They live outdoors and have to endure some nasty conditions as well as being used as a truck. That said, I'll still strive for improving my knowledge base and skill. Through it all, our Tacomas will look pretty darn shiny and sporty.....
     
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  17. Jun 21, 2020 at 9:32 AM
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    This plus it gives you the opportunity to work on that section again in the future if you take a less heavy handed approach. Especially when you're working on a scratch that's less than a mm wide with a 5" pad or even a 3" for that matter.
     
  18. Jun 21, 2020 at 10:11 AM
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    Perfect! Sounds like you're taking a very sound approach and the M105 / M205 combination works well speaking from personal experience. One little hint though. M101 Foam Cut Compound works even better than M105. Less dusting, no caking and same cut.
     
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    Have you tried the new Meguiars M110 ?

    Does the M101 dries quicker than M105? I have M101 but never used it.

    I've been debating on getting between the M110 and M100.
     
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    I have not tried M110. In fact I hadn't even heard of it. I can tell you from personal experience that M101 is a whole lot more user friendly than M105. I use M101 on an almost daily basis and used correctly, it's great stuff. Remember though, it's on the aggressive end of the polish scale. Use it with too aggressive of a pad (especially on a rotary) and you'll create a Delorean out of whatever you're working on.
     
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