Seattle Passes Ordinance For $15 Minimum Wage

This pig is still open?

 

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I love how companies manipulate people into not only getting the tax payers to subsidize paying their work force through welfare but they also make people hate the workers.

 

So true. I worked 30 hours a week doing landscaping at $8.25 an hour to pay my way through college. I was in class over 20 hours a week and I graduated in 4 years with good grades and a degree and for all that I recived $18 an hour. But if society wanted to pay me $15 for working at the movie theaters(easiest job ive ever had). Maybe I should have done that. If we just pay people more money for no reason what is the motivation to better yourself?

 

This is how hyper or high inflation starts we have to raise wages because the dollar is worth less, than we print more money, than we have to raise wages again it never ends...

 

What do you think about the SF transit drivers calling in sick, because they want to make $35/hr?

It makes me want to be a bus driver in SF.

 

So you REALLY think corporations should be allowed to NOT pay a living wage and pocket billions in profits while YOU & I subsidize their low pay to their workers via welfare?

Is that really what your saying?




I could care less if anyone's POS burger or taco prices go up. Most of the people eating that crap are fat slobs anyway so the less genetically modified shit food they can afford the better for all of us.

 

That stuff upsets me. Bart strikes too. They take it out on the people. Its not the right way to go about it at all.

 

Nothing has kept up at the same pace. In the 60's, you'd pay about 1.5x your annual income to buy a house. In the SF Bay Area, that number is 8-10x today.

The Silicon Valley is full of people who did not go to collge for the field they work in. It's pretty amazing.

I wish more emphasis was placed on finding people the right career track. Not everyone wants to go to college. Plenty want to become tradesman and though there are excellent schools to train folks, it's not something high school and to some degree, community colleges emphasize enough.

Not too long ago, there was something about MBA degrees not having the value they once did.

I'm not sure what you believe. But if you believe that someone working at McDonald's or other fast food joint is entitled to make more at an entry level job because the average age is 38 or because fast food companies make billions, nothing I can say will change your mind and I don't think my view of things is all that wrong.

As far as hard times, I've been there before. If it happens, I will pick up and start over. I have done it before and I can do it again.

 

Was just reading that 10% of the wealthiest Americans control 75% of the wealth, leaving the other 25% to the remaining 90% of the population

If ya research a bit you'll find all kinds of stats but few seem to universally validate eachother's numbers...

Middle class is mentioned here alot, middle class (the backbone) jobs, or rather the types of skilled jobs that provided those wages are gone/out sourced, no more steel mills/textile industry, the meat & potatos jobs are history, these were the jobs that solidified the middle class when i was younger.. We really don't "make" anything anymore, except enemies...

& a few of you need to check yourselves with remarks of "burger flipper"

But in fairness I see that most here debating this thread are probably in their 20's early 30's & are coming off as somewhat ignorant, & thats not an insult its just not knowing & no reference point from the past to compare , with a very few around my age that DO remember how it was & what a middle class population looked like, so I'll ask, what level of income determines middle class status now ?

 

Again, not a simple problem. Not all companies with low-skilled workers are fast food joints making billions in profits, and those billions spread out across the number of actual people employed gets pretty thin. Blaming the "evil" corporations is so easy, though.

But this gave me an idea. Maybe a variable corporate tax based on number of workers (to not severely penalize small businesses) and the percentage of workers being paid lower than a certain amount would help level things out a bit. That would help take the pressure off of the tax-paying citizen. Just a thought.

Anyway, the problem is even more complex than that. Anyone who thinks they are entitled to be able to support a family of 3 or 4 people while working a low-skill job needs their head checked. People need to make reasonable choices and own those choices. When I was going to college, I worked alongside a single mother of 2 kids. We did similar jobs and got paid about the same. I paid taxes, but she paid none and still got money back from the government. I felt like I was paying for her poor choices.

Now I realize that we do need to help take care of our fellow less-fortunate citizens, and that doing this has indirect benefits to my own personal well-being, but there should be limits. Some families have multiple generations that know no other way to survive without government assistance.

Raising the minimum wage anywhere is not a fix. Raising your children well is a better start.

 

When I was 15 and started my first job should i have been paid $15 dollars an hour to take staples out of paper because that is a living wage even though I had almost no expenses except helping my parents pay for my costs.

Companies use the money they make to do other things. That money gets re- invested. I do not believe everyone should make the same reguardless of the choices they make in life. A high school drop out should not make the same as a high school graduate because the city says the minimum wage should be $15. Unless everyones wage is going to go up. And it everyones pay go up. Whats the point?

 

I am conservative with my money and how it is spent. When I see someone robbing me I stand up for myself. I don;t care if fast food prices go up nor do I care if people making minimum wage get paid more. Either way the poor will get my money - I just want it to be through corporations not my tax dollars. This is America where capitalism is key, not subsidizing the poor through socialist programs. It's downright unpatriotic and any of you fools eating at those shitholes support it.

When I see corporations pocketing billions while you and I have to subsidize their workers because of poor pay I disagree with the system and how it works. I don't give a flying crap about politics or any other BS people try and bring into this discussion besides of course what I have to say and bring into it

 

Obviously true, but please stop implying that lower wage earners are irresponsible, uncaring parents. Sure some are, but some rich people are racist assholes who have zero family values as long as there is someone to suck their dick for money. "raising your children well" is something EVERYONE should strive towards, but it is not a economical policy

 

& the irony I see is regardless if agreeing or disagreeing most all of you have valid points

 

You are forgetting to mention the unions in this, too.
Unions create an atmosphere of entitlement, not one that keeps the company in mind. People in other countries will work over 8hrs a day to help benefit the company. Here in the US, not so much anymore.

 

well said

 

I'm all for sterilizing the poor and stupied. Oh and while we are at it I really don't like people from GA so I think we should get rid of them to.

 

It will get locked eventually, just like the last time we tried discussing min wage hikes.
The discussions always head towards the roots of these issues, anyways.

 

The voters have been heard and it's law right?

 

It will be interesting to see if some businesses leave the city to find a cheaper workforce just outside the city.