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Selecting a mild lift (TRD Baja TX Pro + Icon AAL)

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by crashnburn80, Aug 3, 2015.

  1. Aug 23, 2016 at 12:43 PM
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    Thanks, let me try again

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  2. Aug 23, 2016 at 6:01 PM
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    Nice, thanks for the info. Does any of you guys know how heavy a load you can tow without the overload?
     
  3. Aug 23, 2016 at 7:21 PM
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    You could contact one of the manufactures and check but unless it is a super light trailer, I would suggest leaving the overloads in for towing.
     
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  4. Aug 31, 2016 at 5:09 PM
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    So I think I have an issue. The dealer tech guy installed the Icon AAL with Overload on the new recalled leaf springs. But it seems that he removed the front U-shaped alignment retainer that was attached to the overload. (Because from the looks it was interfering with the retainer from the rest of the leaf pack). The rearward side of the overloads has the retainer in place. Is this safe? Or can I just add a retainer that encompasses the whole pack?

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  5. Aug 31, 2016 at 7:10 PM
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    It is hard to say from the photos, but it is possible they may have installed your AAL backwards. The longer side is supposed to go toward the rear. Measure and check. The Icon instructions make no mention of interference with the forward alignment retainer, but it is possible they can hit the rear spring pack clamp (mine didn't), and if so it should be removed. I took out my overload out, so I cannot compare to my truck.

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  6. Aug 31, 2016 at 7:17 PM
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    Actually he did initially install them backwards and I told him to fix it and make sure the longer side of the AAL faced to the rear (I checked before I left and saw they were indeed facing to the rear)


    Seems I see photos of other overloads not supported so maybe it's okay like this?
     
  7. Sep 11, 2016 at 1:48 PM
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    Sold my motorcycle this weekend to rake up some cash and ordered the Baja kit and Icon AAL. Also got some 1/4'' spacers. And now I patiently await..
     
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    Be sure to post some pics after install! With the front spacers, are you planning on leaving in the overloads in the rear?
     
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  9. Sep 11, 2016 at 6:36 PM
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    Will do. I am still thinking about it. I haven't really used my truck for much heavy towing or hauling but it is possible that it may happen in the future. Someone quoted ICON saying there is a 10% decrease in load capacity without the overload, which wouldn't be so bad. I think from 6500 to a little less than 6000 lbs towing? Anyways, I'll probably end up taking the overloads off.
     
  10. Sep 11, 2016 at 6:38 PM
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    Oh Crash I also got that Fluid Film spray that you mentioned. Do you apply that regularly or is it just a one time thing? I saw a lot of people complaining about rust, are you having good luck with it?
     
  11. Sep 11, 2016 at 9:55 PM
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    I mention leaving in the overloads because your 1/4" spacers add 1/2" lift. So with the 1.75" + 0.5" up front, you are lifting the nose 2.25". And lifting the rear 1.5" I think it would be more balanced to leave the overloads in, and lift the rear 2" in that case.

    Fluid Film is a maintenance item. It is "self healing" but will eventually wear off and need to be reapplied. I don't have noticeable rusting myself but am not in a salted/unfriendly environment. I do need to re-up on my application though.
     
  12. Sep 12, 2016 at 12:31 AM
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    just a few things.
    I have 1/4 spacers on both sides and aal in the back it looks pretty even. But I'm going to put a hidden winch up front so it might come down a bit in the front.
     
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    In that case I'll probably leave them in, I thought you'd only get 1/4'' of extra lift. Hope the ride won't be too harsh
     
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    With overloads?
     
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    just a few things.
    no over loads ill try to take a picture tommorrow. if you look at my old post there might be a picture. that was right after the suspension install
     
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    I think I thought that as well in my original post. Even without overloads you shouldn't be nose high, as you would be lifting the front 2.25" and the rear 1.5", so only a difference of .75". For comparative reference, Toyota lifted the front 1.75" higher than the rear to be level.
     
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    Hey I was just reading some posts that really talk a bunch of shit about spacers, saying they cause problems and put a lot of stress on components. Would you think that refers to thicker spacers? Or even the 1/4''? I can understand a 3'' spacer might cause some issues but a 1/4'' seems so trivial. Am i gonna lose up or down travel with them? Or damage the shocks? I'm now reconsidering them..
     
  18. Sep 15, 2016 at 12:57 PM
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    Spacers as a sole way to lift are total garbage. Large spacers will provide a very harsh ride. That said almost every aftermarket lift that is not a full threaded coilover is running a 1/4" spacer on the driver side to counter taco lean with no noticeable ill effects. Since the OEM Baja shock bodies already account for the taco lean and no spacer is needed, my thought was to run them on both sides for a little extra lift. I would expect negative effects to be very minimal. You will lose 1/4" of shock compression with the spacer.
     
  19. Sep 15, 2016 at 4:10 PM
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    Ok so it shouldn't be too bad. But someone was saying it's not good if you fully compress the shock before hitting the bump stops. Does that mean it will stop 1/4'' short of hitting the bump stops?
     
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    If you fully compress the shock before hitting the bump stops, you drive the shaft of the shock into the shock body and may damage the shock. Adding a spring spacer (like I mentioned) that is assembled in the strut, will prevent the shock from fully compressing and you wouldn't have to worry about that happening. Adding a top plate spacer (not what I suggested) that is mounted ontop of the strut may allow that to happen. However, I don't think you can even find 1/4" top plate spacers.
     

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