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Serious drop in MPG

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by rpoint16, Dec 12, 2009.

  1. Dec 13, 2009 at 4:45 PM
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    rpoint16

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    I'm at 26.5K now. My 30K guide does not mention fuel flush. I have not heard good things about those injector cleaners.
     
  2. Dec 13, 2009 at 4:59 PM
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    Colder air is more dense, and has more O2 than hot air, by volume. Therefore, the engine actually has to give more fule to maintain the correct air/fuel ratio. Also, as many cities add other crap to the fuel in the winter, it decreases its specific energy. And then, you have to give more throtle to get the same performance.
     
  3. Dec 13, 2009 at 5:00 PM
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    Yeah......I wouldnt do a fuel system flush Dennis. Curious..What did you gap your plugs to?
     
  4. Dec 13, 2009 at 5:36 PM
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    .041. The old ones looked really good. 4 were gapped on spec. The other two were at .047 & .046.
     
  5. Dec 13, 2009 at 5:41 PM
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    WOW!... I would have bet on them being further out.
     
  6. Dec 13, 2009 at 6:08 PM
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    Thanks for the info, Chris...been waitin' on an answer to come down the pike!:cool:
     
  7. Dec 13, 2009 at 7:13 PM
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    BFG AT's, Weathertechs, Hoppy's brake controller.
    Full Throttle and a quality injector cleaner is as good as a stealership "flush" anyday. A dirty air filter is a more likely cause of bad mileage...Starving the engine for fuel is not going to result in more fuel being consumed. Mileage is more affected by the elevated viscosity of the oil in the diffs, trans, oil pan, and T-case.
    A Fuel system issue will throw a code, cause hesitation, or stumbling.
    And I believe denser air means the thottle is more closed, therefore causing more pumping losses.
     
  8. Dec 13, 2009 at 7:52 PM
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    Or you could be like me up here in MT, and get 15 on a good day, 13mpg normally... Sad Faces
     
  9. Dec 17, 2009 at 6:11 PM
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    BFG AT's, Weathertechs, Hoppy's brake controller.
    And winter gas is merely more volatile, it has very similar energy content. Not enough of a difference to affect mileage.
     
  10. Dec 17, 2009 at 6:28 PM
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    Depending on the blend. Here in AZ, its mixed with Ethanol. And it does in fact affect mpg.
     
  11. Dec 17, 2009 at 6:54 PM
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    Wow....That is pretty shitty mpg. Im getting about 20 mixed. The Lowest I get towing my boat is about 15.
     
  12. Dec 18, 2009 at 8:54 AM
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    Ethanol is present year round, whether it is 5.9% or 10% (unlikely), the energy content difference is negligable. Winter blend gas vaporises easier, to oversimplify the matter. Summer gas is the opposite to prevent vapor lock. Ambient temperature is the overriding factor.
     
  13. Dec 18, 2009 at 10:54 AM
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    I won't argue that temperature is the biggest factor. Cold enrichment, thickening of lubricants and extended warm up times all contribute.

    I will disagree that energy content of ethanol and gasoline is negligible. According to the chart at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline ethanol is about 2/3 the BTU content of gasoline on a volume basis. I frequently check mileage and find that I get better mileage when I travel to areas that don't use gasohol as is common in Illinois.
     
  14. Dec 18, 2009 at 12:43 PM
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    BFG AT's, Weathertechs, Hoppy's brake controller.
    So the difference in energy content between a 3% difference in Ethanol qauntity is 3% X 66% = 2% energy difference. (If you can detect 2%, well....you can't.)
    And I didn't state that Gasahol doesn't hurt mileage.
    In areas that blend Ethanol, it is year round, usually between 6% and 9%. Like I said, minimal energy difference summer to winter. There is roughly 2-4% energy difference vs a non Ethanol added fuel, but that wasn't the topic being discussed. I believe winter mileage drop was being discussed, not fuel formulations based on what locality you are getting gas.
     

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