Should I buy the 2022 Tacoma TRD Off-Road or wait for the 2023 Tacoma TRD Off-Road

Well its hard for certain features to 'break' when the vehicle doesn't have them as an option to begin with. Go buy your Gen1 now before the prices go up further.

 

Looks like instead of improving the gearing for 2024, they just reduced the tire and wheel size

 

Pot meet kettle.

 

Oh God, not another flake

 

I feel like you should wait until the 2033 Tacoma comes out.

 

I got a 2022, not a fan of turbos in Trucks!! Cars that’s a different story.

 

Nope, just you buddy.

 

They very well could do just that just like Ford is doing with the new 2021 F150 and Ford Lightning.

 

Well, look at the chart then from December 2019.



I'll give ya the 4Runner on me possibly being wrong if it still comes out this fall, because something definitely ain't right there in terms of consistency. My sources say 2024 and have since last June, while a

lot of noisemakers say 2023 for it, including the dealer body the last few months. I won't comment on that anymore out of self-preservation, similar to A70TRR on Supra MKV.



Now, I really disagree with you on the Tacoma front. It's not just a "rumor". It's somewhat insulting to those of us, who make an effort to be well informed on what's in development and share that

knowledge in our free time. When people don't do their own research thoroughly on a given subject nor are in touch with people informed on it, they cannot reliably comment on anything nor credibly

discredit anyone else, speaking on the subject matter.



You are merely speculating on your end. I am not nor is much of anyone else on this board, as of the last few months saying the same thing. On my end, I actually have spoken to a litany of people,

drawn from a multitude of reference points connected to Toyota and Tier 1 suppliers for the 920B Program, which is aka what? The 4th generation, 2024 Tacoma, chassis code N400. I PUBLICIZED that

program code, which no one else outside of Toyota knew about previously.



DJinTN has backed up much of what I've said here, speaking independently on what they personally know to be true in their professional connection with Toyota. He's not the only one, but many of

you don't take stuff like this into account and readily assume all of us are pissing around, with no evidence to speak of. I'm aware there's nothing wrong with throwing ideas for laughs, as not everything is

serious.



However, there's a difference between us all casually throwing ideas for the future and some of us plainly stating, as a matter of fact, what we know is in progress. The only deviation from what I have said

dating back to 2016, is that TNGA-F suffered hiccups in mid-2019, pushing back EVERY TNGA-F vehicle by 1 year. I commented in January 2019 in my first few posts, that I knew according to scheduling,

that a 2023MY redesign was coming in Summer 2022. I had seen an actual chart from Toyota product planning in 2015-16, outlining internally projected End of Production Dates for every US-built vehicle

through 2023.


For the then brand new 3rd generation Tacoma, it read: EOP N305 Tacoma - June 30, 2022. SOP N4XX Tacoma - Q3 2022. I had that in a Chrome Incognito session 7 years ago and my laptop crashed. I

forgot about that link and never found it again, but have an excellent memory thankfully. I can also vet that, because a former Toyota product planner based in Torrance, California, stated verbatim: The

3rd generation Tacoma was considered a Major Minor Change, so a lot of our big ideas for it got cut by management and stuff like power seats, didn't arrive until later. We expected a 6-8 year run,

starting on September 11, 2015. Do the math and you'll see where that lines up...



We cannot guarantee Toyota will internally meet their own targets and launch in early 2024, as desired currently. That isn't on me nor anyone else saying 2024. We're just pushing it through the grapevine.

Things happen, but it certainly doesn't discredit any of what we've said to be correct as of the present day.



I am very tired, of constantly repeating myself and maybe a good chunk of this forum too, as Toyota is not very transparent with what they do in most cases and thus I have made an effort, starting

years back, to unearth things not commonly accessible to the public, in a controlled setting, so that a set of dedicated owners will know what's coming ahead and not the whole buying public, to the

degree it upsets Toyota's bottom line. For other people to just jump in and crap on that as if I am/we are spewing BS, is annoying. I don't do BS rumors regarding timelines, simple as that. When I am

speculating, I will give that disclaimer.



If I was like TFL or Automotive Press and made a random YouTube video on the information I put forward, it seems that only THEN some folks would magically find it more credible, cuz YouTube or on

TV...I don't do YouTube for obvious reasons. You sacrifice the right to do such things, when your job involves security clearances and favors anonymity, because of developing future product that costs

billions each and has tons of legalities/NDAs involved.



Arrogant to say this, but absolutely no one was concretely thinking about a 4th generation Tacoma 3-5 years ago in these kind of spaces, except me (in some Lexus spaces). It went ignored over there of

course mostly, because it was too early, but I knew about TNGA-F in 2016-17 and launch date for this truck. Toyota barely acknowledged TNGA-F to some degree over 2 years ago, barely even going

official last May on it. There is a reason why I knew about a Tacoma redesign coming earlier than many expected back in 2016 and virtually no one else did on forums and in comment sections. It wasn't

on their radar. I had no reason to benefit from knowing, as I didn't own one nor did I intend to back then, living in England as JLR engineer. Just knew what their plans were.



Also, as you can see above, that chart never said 2024 4Runner, only I did, Toyota insiders, industry and parts supplier databases, and a few automotive forecasting personnel. 2023 was never made up

either, the chart goes by calendar year and season/quarter. 2022 obviously = 2023 models. Once I knew about TNGA-F delays and the iForceMax bombshell, I was the first person to point out in 2019,

that the next generation Tundra was launching in December 2021.


In case of delays I mentioned January 2022, but in the end I projected all of that accurately a full 2 years before it hit dealers! I try to be very reliable and I can see some other members here, do exactly

the same thing. Let's trust each other's judgement, if we can bring new information to the table.

Maybe it's a typo, but I'm not sure why you'd think that at all. I cannot keep stressing it enough, it is never good to comment on a subject and be correcting other people, when you have not bothered to

look into it enough yourself and be 100% certain you're why you even disagree. I apply that motto to everything in my life, as i.e. know little about rugby and wouldn't dare proclaim, what's going to

happen with a player on a team, when I don't know at all how they perform on the field.

Thanks @tonered, I am not good at summarizing, but I want to do my best to fill in the blanks on things. It's a wasted effort if it goes over people's heads, so forgive me for my other replies. I put effort

into vetting everything I state and instead I see some of you, being virtually attacked for stating the obvious. Other folks at Toyota keep saying the same thing too, when sometimes logging in and

commenting here.

Why don't you prove it or just shut up? You honestly have to be one of the dumbest individuals here alive, with the sheer audacity to think your lack of awareness, gives you any credibility to question and

discredit anyone else. I didn't post here back then, but I do know for a fact 2-3 people commented on the 3rd generation from a professional capacity and were dead accurate the whole 9 yards.

In 2012, one of them pointed out that an airbag order from their company had been filled as a supplier for a 2016 model year Tacoma. Folks like you didn't believe them I imagine and they turned out to

be damn right. Another, plainly outlined what was coming elsewhere, plus the Sequoia once on death row as knew back then. A Major Minor Change, right here in this link from 2012 on Expedition Portal.

This is what Toyota called it in 2015 right here. A Major Minor Change. Ever wonder how he knew that 37 months before it went on sale? Exactly.


I am tired of you dimwitted skeptics muddling the message for everyone and making people second guess what they're reading.

The 4Runner wasn't clickbait as you put it. A lot of folks I wonder, either lead very busy lives and don't have time to understand certain aspects of vehicle development and product planning or are proudly

ignorant of what isn't on their radar, that when someone points it out to you, shove it back in their faces and spew what comes to mind instead. Not saying this applies to you specifically, but more so

someone else here...



I cannot say it enough times. The 6th generation 4Runner, was not in planning 7 years ago. Toyota was SHOCKED at the sales jump starting in March 2014, half a year after the big MMC for 2014 hit

dealers. The 5th generation 4Runner was an absolute slow seller and failure in Toyota's eyes in 2011-12. They were going to cancel it (after midcycle), once again by 2017. Toyoda changed course, after

the swansong of a refresh, boosted sales massively in 2014, 2015. In 2016, it was too early to launch a new generation with NO development behind it. Second, if they did initiate anything, it wouldn't be

ready until the next decade. They ordered a redesign for the early 2020s on TNGA-F, then in early phases of planning.



In the meantime, did they want to spend the money to heavily reskin it? NOPE. By the time such a heavy placeholding second refresh would hit the market, a new generation on TNGA-F could be ready.

They kept it as-is, with tech improvements intended for MY 2019, launched belatedly for MY 2020 instead. A redesigned 4Runner was in the cards for Q4 2021 launch for MY 2022, as of December 2018.

By August of 2019, it became MY 2023 in autumn 2022. Ditto for the Sequoia, which was on schedule to be redesigned automatically like a domino effect, the MY following the 3rd generation Tundra.



The 780B Tundra was initiated as a MY 2021 vehicle, 6 years ago. It fell behind in mid-2019 and caused a nasty domino effect. Under 700B, the Land Cruiser 300 did the same thing to other models. Thus

Sequoia went from being a 2022 model in 2021, to a 2023 model as it is now. That is what that chart said and I also what I reported myself before that even went public.



Although Motor1 took me out of context in some places, I ghost wrote 1 of two articles here to them myself in early 2020 via email. On the Ford end of things, you cannot question the validity of the

information provided here by me. Bronco became subject to new delays, as was P702 F-150 and S650 Mustang. Raptor thankfully came to market on time, like I mentioned well in advance of reveal.



With Toyota, this chart hadn't been revealed when I contacted Motor1 and a huge amount of things stated, were very accurate from me.



How I am going to be able to state these things, if I didn't have an idea of some sort? These are not the only media entities I provide info to, therefore a large amount of articles you might read, the inside

source is me. I don't lay all of my cards out on forums, as some intel is much riskier to even do behind a username.



Simply, in product planning and automotive development, things can change as DJinTN mentioned also. It doesn't make anyone telling you such information, a liar or just spreading rumors. In this world

right now, a lot of things are so unpredictable. Tomorrow, Toyota engineers could fail in some 920B processes and push it back to MY 2025. Doesn't make of us here saying 2024, full of sh!t. We don't run

that company, but so far we know what they intend to do right now and are sharing that knowledge with people here, who might not know per se. I don't have to log in, if I am essentially being called a

liar, for just passing on info to others.



A lot of dumb media entities took that 2020 article and the slide, running with it, saying whatever two cents they could add in, to make themselves sound credible.

So I get the clickbait frustration of yours, but your idea 4Runner being 2023 was fake, is just you not crosschecking the fact, Toyota might have encountered a massively delay with the 4Runner program

into 2024. Just as I stated last summer to correct my previous mention of 2023 and that of media, wisely following that chart in their case. Things changed unfortunately in relation to HEV aspects.



It's not fair to discredit anyone else in this thread, correctly stating 2024 for the Tacoma, on that rather weak basis. This is such a simple subject, that it should never come to this level of tension.

You are seriously one of the biggest dumb************** I have seen comment here. Just as bad as that now deleted thread from 2020, where I responded in kind to crazies attacking me and mods

quickly erased. People like you are why I just carry on with my business and just don't bother. Many inside people I have spoken to, highlight how people like your useless self, are WHY they shy away from

social media and forums, because you're too daft to get it and instead, incorrigibly carry on attacking the messenger.



@TacoBuffet and so many others here, don't even have to be going out of their way to do this. Why is it that folks like you are SO woefully UNINFORMED in the worst way and cannot be bothered to piece

together things on your own, without it being spoon-fed to you by Toyota directly or some dumb magazine? Or the fact you have the arrant audacity, to attack anyone else who actually knows what

they're talking about? Do you think Toyota wants you to know what's happening tomorrow? (Usually) They don't, but like almost any company out there, they're too large to confine all of their internal

information to just themselves. They do a fine job, but no company is immune to leaks.



Clearly you don't get out much nor understand the deep intricacies of automotive product planning and development happening WELL in ADVANCE, which also can be so global, that stuff slips out EARLY! I

know this for a fact, when many of our Ford products leak out earlier than we desire or bits of information get released, whether permissively, unauthorized minuscule threat, or at serious risk of cease &

desist.



I am really f***ing tired of clown skeptics like you, being so common in these commenting spaces on the internet, as it is not worth the headache and time-related effort of any incognito professionals,

putting themselves and their livelihoods at risk to merely inform of what to expect. If Doug Demuro or TFL casually said all of this, I'm sure you would believe it of course. You are an unfortunate lost cause...


I wouldn't be surprised, if the rather early prototype photoshoots being so obvious and EV Pickup teaser, are a silent move to shut up ignorant people/detractors spreading around misinformation, that

"Toyota wants to rest on their laurels and keep good ole aging products forever". Kevin freaking Hunter, chief of CALTY Design and 1st gen designer (1991, 1992), has already commented on they've

already designed the 4th generation Tacoma and about its close connection to 2022 Tundra. Newly approved truck designs on a fixed timetable, arrive 2-3 model years out. Bet you don't even know that,

but are attacking TacoBuffet as if you have a thorough idea of what happens at Toyota USA HQ in Plano and Toyota Technical Center USA, across in Ann Arbor, MI from me. So bloody tone deaf.


I give a and a to anyone who has been nice and helpful enough to tirelessly inform other people, without getting as pissed as I have. It's unfortunate so many people just don't get it and

don't want to ever.

 

Haha, I totally love your posts, it's like complete fanfiction for me, but the quoted part is undeniably true lol.

Keep on Truckin' man.

 

I hope you remain a member of our community and continue to post what you can, it is always informative, well said and spot on. I know the VASTTTT majority of us are more than appreciative and value your input and willingness to share what you can on a forum of enthusiasts, which sometimes you have to wonder. Thanks my dude!

 

Holy shit bro.. I would be incredibly happy if you could analyze the difference between all three unique iowa class battleships.. Missouri, New Jersey and of course Wisconsin...

Minor deck configurations made a HUGE impact in Anti aircraft fire..

Meanwhile the Germans Bismark and Turpitz were relatively unarmorred from Arial attack. Both Bismark and turpitz could have cremated any iowa class in open sea. But New Jersey actually owns more battle stripes then Missouri.. the flag ship of US battleship design..

You can analyze anything to death

 

I'd wait for the 2027 model. That's when the good stuff is coming. Mag lev, USB D, heads up display, missile defense package...

 

You forgot Stealth technology. Basically invisible to both Radar and Lidar. Cross section of a gnat.

 

You cannot forget it’s main feature of being able to fly.