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Discussion in 'Sports, Hobbies & Interests' started by godofspeed, Mar 3, 2010.

  1. Apr 24, 2014 at 10:17 AM
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    I should be able to ride both bikes (not together though) but don't know if it'll be more than around the parking lot. I do know that fit is important, and that will definitely be a determining factor for me.

    I like that the Trance has more travel since I like to be airborne pretty often. However, the Kona seems to have better components like you mentioned; the drive line is almost identical but the Kona doesn't use it's own brand of hubs and rims, which I like. I have read that the wheels on the Trance are pretty heavy.

    I can get the Trance for $2k out the door, so it has that going for it as well...
     
  2. Apr 24, 2014 at 11:08 AM
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    honestly if you like getting air the trance is probably better. if you went with the kona you might like it at first then wish for more travel...that how i am. i loved my fuel ex but the rougher the trails got the more i wanted extra travel. now that there is a bike park near me i want that extra travel even more.

    like Ian said, you can always upgrade parts

    nice! i havent been there in a while. i wish i lived closer so i could ride/dig more.
     
  3. Apr 24, 2014 at 11:09 AM
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    Giant it is then!! Thanks guys!! There is a bike park close to me so the Trance will be perfect!!
     
  4. Apr 24, 2014 at 11:15 AM
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    just reread the page...its only like 1/4" more travel or so, i was thinking it had a little more, just thought i would correct that, i would still test ride them both to at least make sure the fit/feel is better.
     
  5. Apr 24, 2014 at 11:16 AM
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    Oh, ok; I'll be test riding them both still then.
     
  6. Apr 24, 2014 at 11:17 AM
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    sorry about that i was thinking it had 150mm for some reason
     
  7. Apr 24, 2014 at 11:18 AM
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    No worries!
     
  8. Apr 24, 2014 at 12:29 PM
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    So Kona is sold out of the 2014 Process 134:eek: They won't be releasing the 2015 model until August/September this year. I'll be going with the Giant.
     
  9. Apr 24, 2014 at 7:47 PM
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    Kona has been stepping things up lately, with a more real suspension, lighter and (hopefully) stronger frame construction, as well as higher quality alloys. I have a good friend on a Process 111 or whatever it is, and he enjoys it quite a lot. BUT, these two bikes are surprisingly very different.

    The Giant will be more stable at speed, it has a 67 degree HA, and a 17.3" chainstay length, while not terribly long, giant is limited by their dual-short-link design of the Maestro suspension to having longer stays. I can vouch as to the solid design of their suspension; it's very stable in the climbs and reasonably active and resistant to braking forced while descending.

    So the Giant would climb, in some circumstances, more poorly than the Kona, your front end is slacker than the Kona, which means the front wheel may tend to wander on steeper stuff.. but this also means more stability at speed than the Kona. The Kona's HT angle is 68 degrees, one degree of difference (more important than it may sound). The Kona will want to wander less on the climbs, and will more easily navigate tight switchbacks than the Giant.

    The Kona will be more of a playful bike than the Giant, for several reasons:
    - Shorter chainstays, the back wheel will be tucked in further beneath you, and as a result will be easier to flick around. This also results in a shorter wheelbase, for a more nimble ride, etc.
    - The head angle is 1 degree steeper, it will have quicker, more responsive steering than the Giant will, which also means less stability on steeper descents, and less stability at high speeds (steep, flat, whatever).

    The BB height isn't listed on the Giant, so not sure about that aspect.

    Basically, they're both good options, but in order to decide I would recommend first deciding what your specific applications with the bike will be, how you like to ride, and what your terrain will be like.
     
  10. Apr 24, 2014 at 7:54 PM
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    That right there is good advice
     
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    Kona's new suspension design is new to them, but not new to market, it's been around for several years now. It's not the most laterally stiff, but it's not bad.

    Giant uses Formula as their hub manufacturer, they're nothing special, they also don't suck in any substantial capacity. I'd put them in the "meh" category. Same thing with their rims, not sure who makes them, but they're nothing special.

    Also, travel isn't always what you want with jumping. Take a look at what slopestyle riders are on now...hardtails (ouch). Jumping the Kona would take less speed (and a little more finesse, jump dependent), but would be more nimble in the air, the Giant would be less nimble and need a little more speed. More travel means a smoother landing, but doesn't make taking off any easier.
     
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    Also known as.... I spend too much time in this industry :crazy:
     
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    I would say it differently. You sell a product and you are familiar with what's out there. There are very few shops that have that level of expertise.

    I find that refreshing.
     
  14. Apr 25, 2014 at 4:45 AM
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    Rebuilt the fork last night -- little to no oil in the lower on the air spring side, so it seems that whoever built the fork put the oil in the wrong end. Thinking about calling Fox and asking them WTF. Stanchions are a little worn on the front, but I think that's my fault for not storing the bike upside down -- foam rings were pretty dry.

    Anyway, it now feels like it should!
     
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    I should have tried to work out a deal for a new bike with the purchase of my Tacoma...this thread makes me salivate...
     
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    I agree with Ian on that one too, good shops need good people with good knowledge. Thats why I like my local shop so much, probably the only reason I go into the shop rather than buying everything online.
     
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    That is beautiful.
     
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    This is my Canfield Nimble 9. Shit is fun. Jealous of you guys who ride dh fully bikes, but terrain is a little different on the east coast.
     
  19. Apr 25, 2014 at 6:07 AM
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    Any chance you shot a picture of the wear? We've seen (for some unexplainable reason(s)) multiple forks come through with the bath oil in the air chamber.. not sure how, or why that's happening, if it's a mistake on Fox's part, or if the seal is somehow allowing oil to pass the air seals.

    Typically stanchion wear occurs from lack of bath oil, dirty bath oil, and too much time passing between rebuilds. Fox's seals are really low friction, but that also allows the opportunity for dust, dirt and sand to get in... When that gets down between the bushings and the stanchion, that'll cause a fair amount of wear on the bushing and the stanchion. Best bet is to service annually (Fox recommends every 30hrs), to keep everything nice and clean inside.
     
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    No, no pictures. The fork takes 30ml of oil each side, and I sucked near that amount from the air chamber. There was very little in the bottom. I store the bike right-side up, so it is doubtful the oil would migrate past the seal into a pressurized chamber. But it was definitely the green bath oil, not the blue Float Fluid. My guess is that the person building the fork is just filling both chambers from the top. Oil was clean -- I do clean the stanchions and oil the seals every time out.

    I am pretty sure the stanchion wear is my fault -- I waited too long to service the fork. I have 2 seasons on it, way more than 30 hours -- probably about 100. The wear was on the front of the stanchions where you can't see it unless you take the fork apart, so I never noticed it, and the foam rings were bone dry. Disappointed in myself for being an idiot. The wear is not terrible, but it was avoidable.
     
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