Solid Axle Swap BS Thread

Here's a picture of some 14 bolt carnage too.



Just because something has broken on somebody at some point in time doesn't mean that it's a common break. 99.9% of the time a R&P will go before a shaft on a Toyota rear

Not any more than FF axle breakage since it's not a c-clip axle. Break an axle and your locker is toast regardless of type. The only way it's any different is if you break the axle between the WMS and the wheel bearing...then you'll have a bad day but that's exceedingly rare.

@CedarPark if you have a friend that can help you put gears in then just run it. It doesn't cost you hardly anything and it gets you on the trail. If you decide to upgrade, just sell it and be money ahead.

 

The stock shafts are beef. The problem is people load their truck down with 4000lbs of extra expo crap, spare water, spare fuel, and a RTT to do a day trip to the local off-road park and then wonder why they snap. Same goes for the elocker. Light weight is your friend!

 

Couldn't have said it better.

 

haha I know I knowIf I could do by build all over again the ONLY thing I'd change was falling into the AP hype! but hey lessons learned I'm stuck with what I have for now, actually looking forward to testing the limits of my set up and give feedback to guys. I will be replacing the front/rear with Built PROROCK 60 sooner then later...

 

Circumstances on the 14bolt failure? Sure, no axle is indestructible. Anything can break.

But I seriously doubt it broke on 37"s with a toyota engine...unless the axle was significantly bent to begin with.

It was probably being pushed with a torquey v8 and 40" plus tires; whereas a stock toyota axle under a 2nd gen with 37"s is already pushing its limits to the max.

Says the guy with a lighter-weight 1st gen

Aren't 2nd gens already heavier and more powerful to begin with? The lightweight argument is kind of subjective seems like.

haha we have all being victims of the marketing used by some companies

prorocks are awesome. Start saving your pennies...they ain't cheap

wheel the crap of your rig and see how far you can push that rear axle. But besides the money spent on gears, i wouldn't really do anything to it if your ultimate goal is prorocks

 

Hahaha I brought that point up in one of the many "elockers are crap and will break in the wal mart parking lot" 2nd gen threads on here, and someone corrected me saying the 2nd gen is only 100lbs heavier.

I try to keep it nice and light anyway.

 

I'm not sure what broke it, I was just illustrating a point that anything can be broken regardless of how beefy its perceived to be.

Fun fact of the day that is consistently overlooked...a second gen with a V6 is about 500 lbs heavier than a first gen V6 in the same cab configurations. I think the 4 cylinder stuff is only a couple hundred lbs apart. The 4 inches of extra width in a second gen makes wider axles a better choice more than anything.

The expo thing blows my mind anywhere east of the Mississippi....the east coast is just not that sparsely populated and does not have enough land to wheel where you can actually be out long enough to not be near civilization or want to move camp every night.

 

Hey man, Harlan's pretty big, it's like a 1hr off-road drive between camp and the obstacles, that counts as an expo right?!?!?

 

Psssh... I can drive around the island 5 times in a day. Overlanding on a rock!

 

Man that requires at least 25gallons of potable water, 15 gallons of extra gas, 10 place settings, 4 yeti Coolers and 3 grills in case 2 crap out on ya!

 

No need 4 coolers. I haz Arb fridge
And don't forget the RTT.

 

EAF sounds like you're well prepared for the cross island road trips

 

no. No RTT... my bed stays pretty empty. We usually take the wifes 4Runner and the taco camping. I dump everything at the campsite, then go wheeling.
Some of the guys I wheel with insist on bringing everything that have
https://youtu.be/XgLPhTeuFNk
Got a few parts to this video if you are bored. @1uzrnr in the monster 4Runner was showing us this trail so it was the first time for all of us in the IFS trucks. It was after this trip I decided to SAS it.

 

I just want to hear the bbrrppp! I kind of miss that thing.

 

Yeah, that V8 sounds sick!

@1uzrnr I love watching that series of videos, hearing you yell at Miles I swear he was trying to intentionally roll his truck. Especially on the last hill at the end

This one:
https://youtu.be/fFQOz6utshw

 

So Slander said a 2nd gen 100bs heavier and you said 500lb. So which one is it? I thought the difference was more than either one of those figures, though I admit I have never really looked into the actual figures.

So you don't think an extra 500lbs is a big deal. Why aren't you running 1tons then?

The axles under 2nd gens might be wider than 1st gens, but the truck themselves are wider. To me...one benefit of running wider axles is that they keep the rocks farther away from the body than axles that keep the tires flush with the body.

Also, wouldn't a rig with axles that stick farther away from the chassis/body be more stable because of the added reach, better center of gravity, etc.? Dunno...maybe it is all relative in a wider rig with wide axles

 

No idea, don't care to look it up because I'll never own one of those bloated 2nd gen turds.

 

2nd gen is def more than 500 lbs heavier. The things are heavy pigs ask me how I know, though I will say with just a 69" rear d60 the truck feels way more planted even with ifs up front still.

 

I'm going to try and give this light truck thing one more shot with my little girls build. It will have a tire size limmit of 35's.

I personally love my Fat long wide tall truck. The Idea is to have less power and weight than you have axle strength no matter what you have and the second gen lost that battle of the factory floor.

 

Dead on man!
We have a friend that ran 42s on a mini truck that he beat the ever loving shit out of it with minimal breakage, just the usual hub studs. His secret, he made it as light as possible and kept the 22r, that truck didn't have enough power to snap drivetrain parts if it wanted to. He tried to kill on multiple trips as he was working on another build and never could, the damn thing would not die lol!! I'll have to find the YouTube video of it wheeling..
It's the red 1st Gen 4runner
https://youtu.be/CTLzAqjyKxk