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Solid Axle Swap BS Thread

Discussion in 'Solid Axle Suspension' started by Supra TT, Feb 20, 2012.

  1. Dec 18, 2012 at 10:00 PM
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    Justin723

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    All extremely good points but thegame hit it right on the money. My brother has a 2000 solid axle Tacoma 3.4 running 37s and beats the ever living shit out of his truck. The Dana 44 is well enough to hold up to the abuse and honestly the 8.4 tacoma rear end is stout as shit (runs his with an ARB locker). His front end has yet to even show a bit of stress after 3 years and over 30 wheeling trips on it. However the weak tacoma transfer case has blown out on his truck before and as stated is a poit of concern. I have a few videos of him wheeling for those who would like to see.
     
  2. Dec 18, 2012 at 10:27 PM
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    Yeah lets see the video! Youtube it :) What mods does he have on the D44? Must be pretty extensive to be able to "beat on it." And for what you spend on a D44 to beat on, you could spend the same and have a stock-ish D60 that can handle the abuse even better. And for as cheap as 14 bolts are, it would be a no-brainer to throw that out back. But hey, half ton axles work for some people, the initial cost of a D60 is hard to swallow for most :cool:
     
  3. Dec 18, 2012 at 10:52 PM
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    Aftermarket knuckles, high steer, and warn hubs is all I know of. The only issue with full size is you have to switch the axle in the rear as well. I don't have a youtube account I'll just add it to TW Live then Post them here. A Dana 60 for the front built can cost well over 1200. He paid 400 for everything.
     
  4. Dec 18, 2012 at 11:34 PM
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    Trying to upload the videos. Says the sent but there's nothing in the thread..
     
  5. Dec 19, 2012 at 5:31 AM
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    A built 60 will run more in the 2-3k range. Which axle shafts is he running?
     
  6. Dec 19, 2012 at 5:36 AM
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    Not true. Chevy knuckle break just about as much as Ford. They have slightly more beef, but much stronger? No. BJ knuckles dont have a weak knuckle, just weak ball joints that break, and unless you wanna fork out a ton on specialty BJ's, it will never be as strong as a KP.

    ^^^Truth. If you swap knuckles, you have to swap everything from the knuckle out. But, this also makes it easier and cheaper to run 35 spline outers.

    I have seen some people ask that much, but I looked for one week and found 4 local to me for less than $700, and bought the one I did. Keep searching and you can get them cheap. And $450 wont get you anywhere on upgrades. Figure at least $1500 for gears, locker, new kingpins, bearings, seals, high-steer, and that doesnt include knuckles or 35 spline stuff.

    While 14b are super strong the clearance sucks. They are marginally stronger than a 35 spline 60 with chromos, and the 60 has alot better clearance, even over a shaved 14 bolt.

    Jon,

    As for the knuckles, just plate them out and you will be fine. Just make sure you watch your pre/post heat so they dont end up weaker than when you started. Here is the set I just did:

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  7. Dec 19, 2012 at 7:11 AM
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    44"s are the plan go big or take the bypass.

    ^^^^^^ didnt need to hear that to plan on an atles, sure they are expensive but worth it in the long run. im think at that point it moves my weak spot to the hubs and the rear shafts if not the drive lines.
     
  8. Dec 19, 2012 at 7:29 AM
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    True. I'm sure Chevy knuckles break but they aren't more known for cracking than Ford knuckles.

    You also don't live in CA ;) $450 will make a nice dent in the cost for Reid knuckles, which is what we are discussing ;) You'll spend the same amount regearing a D44, putting new ball joints in a D44, finding hi-steer arms, milling knuckles, getting all new bearings, putting a locker in...


    You're talking about semi-float 60's right? Because NO full float D60 rear came with 35 spline axles from the factory and isn't simple to swap to 35 spline either.
     
  9. Dec 19, 2012 at 7:45 AM
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    Full float. And there ARE rare 35 spline full-floats out there. D70's were 35 spline, but there are D60 that were 35 spline as well, although uncommon. Seems dana put whatever they had lying around together to meet orders back in the day.

    Besides this, there are also alot of D60's with D70 spindles which dont require boring out to run 35 spline shafts.

    I am in the process of converting a FF 60 to 35 spline right now, new carrier (ARB :D) , new shafts, and bore the spindles with a holesaw or have a shop bore them.
     
  10. Dec 19, 2012 at 7:49 AM
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    Yeah but the difference in cost is crazy, why would you dump thousands into a rear 60 and only be as strong as a 14 bolt? Granted ground clearance and weight are good arguments but when you can build a 14 bolt for cheap and it be stupid strong, I see no reason to dump money into a 60. ESP when you could put that money in susp or tcase.
     
  11. Dec 19, 2012 at 8:01 AM
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    Thousands? Gimme a break.

    The axle can be had for the same price as a 14bolt. Spindle boring is $60-100 at a shop or $35 DIY. Youre gonna buy the locker either way you go...and D60 35 spline chromos are $500. I fail to see thousands into a rear 60. I see an additional $500-600 tops.
     
  12. Dec 19, 2012 at 8:39 AM
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    well my 14B 3 bearing pinion fell into my lap for free and did the rear 60 so i figure ill shave the 14B and just run the big heavy stupid strong axle instead of the 60 due to the fact that im gonna run 44" tires clearance doesnt mean dick at that point now those people staying at 37-38 well run the 60 for clearance
     
  13. Dec 19, 2012 at 8:55 AM
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    Good for you. I would run the free axle too. I am just trying to make sure there is good information here not "it cost thousands to build a rear 60" :rolleyes:

    And I will still take the clearance when running 40's, can never have too much ground clearance. Plus I got a swinging deal on my 60 with discs and gears already installed :D

    Clearance is all that matters, same clearance on 40's/D60 vs 44's/14b means alot less driveline stress as well. The 14b is a stronger axle though.
     
  14. Dec 19, 2012 at 9:24 AM
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    I got both my 60 rear and my 14B for free im gonna run the 14B because i want a cheap and strong rear end. Im not sure but i was told if you shave the 14B you are only and inch lower than the 60 and still stronger. and clearance does matter this is true. Im a fabber and a master auto tech so DIY always saves me money, and a 44 rolls over rocks alot easier than a 40 does so yeah clearance is good but not all that matters or if thats the case y do rock buggies sit so low? Lastly i agree good info is a must.
     
  15. Dec 19, 2012 at 10:12 AM
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    diff clearance. They sit low for C.O.G.
     
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    Any ideas on how to post these videos up? I don't have a laptop so limited to my iPhone.
     
  17. Dec 19, 2012 at 10:33 AM
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    My bad kinda over exaggerated. I'm a 14 bolt fan if ya couldn't tell.
     
  18. Dec 19, 2012 at 10:39 AM
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    I'm honestly not to sure what all was done to his front axle (was deployed when he built it) however ill find out today and get back at you. Anything specific you wanted to know?
     
  19. Dec 19, 2012 at 10:41 AM
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    Personally I'd rather keep everything toyota but going with a 44 or 60 each have there own perks. That argument could go for days!
     
  20. Dec 19, 2012 at 10:50 AM
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    everyone one picks what they do to fit them im chasing streanth. Last round i did the 100% toy was nice.
     
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