SOLVED! Post 2853 Leaking Injectors, Dealer Techs Rock! Extended Cranking after Engine Swap 3.4L 5vz

no the description says its just the bearing and race so that does not include the seal.

I don't think that bearing description sounds right, on a 4wd you should have a sealed press in bearing so its a one piece deal and not a separate bearing and race but I found it here and it shows the picture as a sealed one piece bearing so it looks like the right one.

see it here: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/t...Au_StyopYxPJqVahLfyATY43j_HIr_8KH4BoCKG3w_wcB

and I found it at a good savings from here: http://www.autopartsway.com/part.cf...9vfk1eps6jr1iv-6u7epns~kdtmii8jzucroc6qrw-wcb

strange to see anyone beat rockauto prices so see what other parts you need might be cheaper there as well

wait for bama to confirm your part number or do this:

there is a sight I use that gives you the parts specific to your vehicle based on the vin number so enter your vin number and see what it says. http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/q.html

after you enter your vin number and the page comes up with your truck info, book mark it so it keeps your vin number page so you don't have to remember it the next time.

 

Thanks Keakar!

Got the additions too now, thank you! Very helpful!

EDIT - But the Rock Auto price is actually the lowest of all the sites. Looks like all the sites list the same part # (SET29), so I think I'm gonna call local shops and get pricing, in case it winds up being easier/cheaper/faster that way....

Ya think we'll make 1000?

By the way, in case anyone's interested, I found the section (see link) from a FSM for a 2000 Taco that explains what DP and the mechanic were saying about how it takes a problem occurring a few times before a CEL is given.

Kinda scary, really, to think that we get 'em all the time for dumb stuff like gas cap, but not for piston hole?!??!! Ah well, at least it's nice to know it was actually doing what it was programmed to do........

 

check my post, I added some more while you were posting

 

Crap. Looks like they took the FSM down off that site.

Anybody know of a specific site we can go to and buy a FSM?

EDIT: Looks like the download worked, but just trying to open the files up on the internet doesn't. However, they only have the 2000 manual, not the 98 - anyone know whether the 2000 would be the same as the 98? Calling my fave local dealer now to see whether buying one from them is even an option, guessing if they say yes my reaction to the price will be

WOW! The good news is they said it's $99! I figured it'd be $999 more likely! I could count on one hand the number of times I've been pleasantly surprised by dealer pricing, parts or otherwise.....pigs are now flying....

But the bad news is they said that's only Vol I of II volumes, and he didn't think they could get Vol II. Anybody have any idea as to what's in Volume I vs. what's in Volume II of the FSM?

He's calling somewhere to try to find that out for me, and also to see if he can somehow get Volume II as well, should hear back soon.......but if any of you know in the meantime, I'd love to find out ASAP!

 

Sorry for the delay in getting back into this thread. I have been building bearings until the wee hours of the morning so that I can try and get old orders out. So I will try and catch up here......

This is partially true. There are 3 classifications of DTCs. Class A, Class B, and Class C.
Class A codes will set a CEL the INSTANT the code tests and fails. No delays, no 2nd test, just a SINGLE failed test.
Class B codes set when the code tests and fails on two CONSECUTIVE drive cycles. (A drive cycle typically requires starting the engine and driving the vehicle)
Class C codes will not turn on a CEL at all, and are only there for generic diagnostics.

Always ready for wheel bearing fun!

A lift is a must have for someone who does this stuff on the side all the time. I would install a lift in my house here in Florida if I could convince the HOA to allow it! Hahaha.

No worries!

Yes, SET 29 is the correct bearing for you. You can order the National brand if you like. (Both are reasonably equal in quality for the 1st gen Tacoma) Rock Auto has the best shipping around really. Don't always look at just the price of something. Also look at shipping cost, and how fast they can get it to you. When I order from Summit Racing, I expect 5-10 days to get something. Rock Auto has it at my house within 3 days usually at the latest. As for the seal between the hub and the spindle, where the bearing is, You will need Seal #710571. The other seal you will need is #710570. On the 1st Gen, you will want to get BOTH seals. Not really an option.

 

Thank you thank you thank you Bama! Was hoping you'd chime in here! Glad to see ya!

First point - do you think we should still be concerned about no CEL when piston hole occurred? Over the last 2 or so pages I posted all the stuff our new mechanic explained about why he thinks it's fine. But since it's an expensive part, it'd be nice to get your input on whether we can put that worry to rest......no pressure or anything! Based on your explanation of the classes of codes, ya think there's any chance the ECU considered a piston hole a class C?

Second point - hurray, glad you're with us on the wheel bearing fun!

Third point - screw the HOA, do it anyway!

Last point - so it sounds like we would (in addition to set 29) also order the two seals separately (the ones that you so very kindly gave me the numbers for)?

On a related note, just finished calling all local parts stores to see if anyone had the Timken Set 29 for similar price to R.A. Best I could find was nearly 2x the price, most didn't have access to it at all. But, one place had a Koyo for $80 that they could get next day. The engine mechanic said Koyos are good - but for obvious reasons (wheel bearing king that you are) I will be going with whatever you say on this. So it'd be R.A. like you suggested, or this Koyo option - what's your advice?

EDIT: just got my Rock Auto cart all loaded up with the 3 goodies you told us about, ready to place my order pending your opinion on the Koyo thing! Thank you!

Thank you!!

PS, one more question - do you know of any way to get a FSM for our truck? Thank you again!

PPS, you didn't have anything else to do besides answer my 5 billion questions today, did you?

Been bragging to all my friends and family about how completely awesome all of my Taco World buddies are and what an ENORMOUS help they've been to us the last 2 months! Thanks guys!

 

Before the internet became all powerful, I was able to buy specific pages of the FSM from the dealer. They would charge me a dollar a page. Maybe give your local dealer a call and see if they would do that for you.

Kirk

 

Thanks K. I did call the dealer this morning, and they said they can get Volume I for $99 but can't get Volume II, and also can't tell me what's in each volume. Super helpful.

BUT, they did tell me about this site: https://techinfo.toyota.com/techInf...https://techinfo.snapon.com/TIS/Register.aspx

where you pay a subscription fee to have access to FSM's of various levels of complexity for a certain period of time. We may do this, husband is looking into it.......

EDIT: Thanks for the info below Keakar! It's like having my own Taco World FSM on this freaking thread guys! I've referenced back to stuff you've all told me so many times, keep finding other goodies every time I go on a search for something specific!

 

Cool, glad you are finding options.

On a side note, not to rub salt into a wound, but I'm grilling and drinking again.do not trust anything I write

 

Is it even 5 o'clock there yet? Not in Oregon yet, guess Mod and I are SOL for another 72 minutes (not that I'm counting or anything........)

K, now go ahead and pour another, then advise me on all sorts of things to do to my truck. I'll trust 100% that the advice is sound and solid.

there ya go!

21 minutes Mod.....

7 minutes......

SWEET! It's 5 o'clock everywhere now ya'll! Wait, I have to go pick up a fuel pump with my husband now.....hmmm.......he'll be the one driving though, so what the hell?

Gasket thingy we had to order separately from the pump (from our fave dealer) showed up early, that never happens! Husband is picking up now, then we're off to get the pump from a new gem of a store we just found locally, that seems to consistently be the only one that has the brand of parts we're looking for! Gotta savor these little victories along this long bumpy road......

Another score - just called our fabulous new mechanic, and he has a press! Good grief, this guy has everything! He'll look at the bearing tomorrow when he puts Taco on the lift to do the pump, and I'm all set to go with my R.A. print outs to show him what I'd order as far as the Timken wheel bearing......things are coming together guys!

Quick whiskey shot on the way out the door, no harm in that, right?

 

It's 7pm.

You really need a sarcasm emoticon

 

Koyo and Timken are both owned by JTEK corporation. So they are the same bearings. If you buy a Timken bearing, most likely it will actually have "KOYO" stamped on it! So you are good with all of that!

 

Thanks Bama!

 

just when I was sure we would hit 1000 posts you stop posting frequently

 

Something tells me we'll make it there one way or another Keakar, don't fret!

Headed over to deliver fuel pump now, and discuss wheel bearing. Wish us luck guys!

Got my hands on the pages I wanted from the FSM for our exact 98, and brought 'em with to drop off the pump this morning at the mechanic's house. Explained that I just wanted to be 100% sure those top two items (starter signal circuit and fuel pump control circuit) listed in FSM for diagnosing "difficult to start, hot engine" have been ruled out on our truck - he said a bunch of stuff about spark and relays that went straight over my head, but fortunately hubby was there and seemed to get it. So we are going ahead with the pump, and when we left hubby said mechanic's explanation made total sense to him, and he's 100% confident that we do not have those problems. Wish I would have understood it myself to totally put it out of my mind, but at least now it will be hubby's fault if it winds up we do have those issues!

 

Today's mission will be waiting to receive confirmation of this /\

And this /\

And trying to keep this in mind every time I reach for my phone /\

Everybody, time to starting crossing all fingers, toes, and limbs again!!

You guys think there's any point in telling the engine mechanic what the diagnosis was in the end?

 

I think I would tell him...might make him feel bad enough he'll think twice before he tells another customer "I've checked everything from head to toe multiple times"

 

I wouldn't, it might leave him with a negative memory of your last interaction as him taking it the wrong way thinking you are telling him he doesn't know what he is doing.

which while true as far as troubleshooting you don't want to burn bridges when you are married to this guy mechanically until the warranty runs out.

I think this might be something "some" people would take the correct way as being informed of something and learning from it but you can never tell how it may be received so while she is needing this guys help for any future warranty work for the rebuild, I don't think its a risk she should take that it could offend him.

when you are dealing with someones pride, you just never know how a person accepts being told an answer to a puzzle they could not solve

 

Vol 1 is mostly fairly advanced diagnostics, troubleshooting flow charts, specifications, special service tools and is about 1" thick.

Vol 2 is the one folks get if they can't afford the others. It covers most of the "how to take it apart and put it back together" stuff. It has lots of diagrams, service techniques, specifications and a fair bit of troubleshooting/component testing procedures. About 2.5" thick.

Vol 3 is "wiring". Every wire, color, terminal, terminal number, relay and connector in the entire truck along with locations. This is broken down into various layouts such as engine control, starting and "overall". About 1/2" thick, tiny but mighty.

There is a separate book with very advanced automatic trans stuff beyond what's covered in vol 1 & 2. Then there are service bulletins, advisories, "new stuff this year" and FSM corrections. All this stuff is best accessed thru one of the "services" like AllData.

Most everything seems to be very close if not the same from 99-00. Everything I have mentioned or put up in this thread has been from the online 00 version. I compare it to my paper 99 first than post it from the PC rather than scan the paper.

3 Vol boxed set.

 

Thanks DP.

http://www.alldata.com/

On this site, there's options for the:

• "repair industry"
• "collision industry"
• "DIYer"

You guys that have the AllData thing, which do you have? How is it similar/different from FSM? Is it basically an FSM with the stuff DP said, or ??:

We signed up on that sight that I posted yesterday for a 2 day subscription for $15, and plan to comb through it tomorrow (on my husband's Bday, woo, party! at least he gets homemade cinnamon rolls for breakfast). From the little we've looked at it so far, it appears to provide all the FSM info for our exact truck plus a bunch of other Japanese vehicles, its just the info is a bit scattered and will require some work to get all that we want/need from it.

Pending how that goes, we're considering the AllData thing too, so anybody who's got it, I'd love to hear what you like/don't like about it.

I agree though DP, it seems that 2000 FSM info is the same on most, if not all topics. We've had that one saved on our computer for some time, but when it comes to stuff that's super important/detailed, I get nervous trusting it, JUST IN CASE there's some weird little discrepancy between it and a 98.

From your description of the 3 volumes, it sounds like #2 would be the one we'd want, if we weren't satisfied w/what we get on this site we signed up on. I hope and pray we never need Volume 3 - you guys know by now how I feel about all that electrical/ECU stuff - no thanks! Gimme pistons and wheel bearings, no sensor/computer stuff please! BLECH!