SOLVED! Post 2853 Leaking Injectors, Dealer Techs Rock! Extended Cranking after Engine Swap 3.4L 5vz

Actually, I was thinking FAP would be an appropriate acronym for Foster Auto Parts... but my mind (at this particular time) was not, in fact, in the gutter. the connotation was lost on me, just thought maybe it didn't stand for what she thought it did.

 

Oops. Yeah, FAP. Duh

EDIT: Changed the title of the thread, per Nickel's suggestion.

 

So, the truck has the wrong MAF? Oh, Boy.

 

I don't think it's "wrong" in the sense of not the correct part for our make/model, although I could be wrong about that.

From what I know/understand, it's the correct part but not the same one that was on the truck before they worked on it. Reason I ASSUME it's the correct part for our make/model is I'm guessing our new mechanic would have caught it if it wasn't. But can't say for sure. After talking to the dealer parts dept and finding out there was a split in production on the type of MAF used pending what part of '98 the truck was made in, I suppose it could get pretty tricky even for a very experienced person. But this is all just my guesses at this stuff, I don't know

So who knows whether it might have something to do with the hard warm start issue, but it's another piece of a 4 billion piece puzzle.

There, now solve the puzzle guys. Ready, set, go.

 

well I have a #3 scenario for you,

#3 - one of the guys engine guy has working for him had a bad MAF on his Toyota and went to FAP to try a used on, but it didn't help or worked but had problems of its own and so when nobody was around he took the opportunity to swap his for yours figuring no one would never notice.

far fetched? not really. since you are prepared to assume engine guy has guys working for him and it is they, not him, that are to blame for a lot of things you are not happy about and may have put in less then stellar efforts into doing your job.

well if you can assume they would do that, then you cant rule out anything.

all you do know is it was changed without your consent or knowledge at this point so, I would politely call engine guy and just ask why your MAF was replaced. if he doesn't know about it or seams surprised that it was, then put a check mark by possibility #3 as a very likely explanation to what happened.

ps - I hate the name change, I cant find the damn thread anymore lol

 

Since we are throwing out ideas and I'm tired and feel like being a fool, try this one and I challenge it to be topped.

I think they changed the entire truck on her.

They put that MAF on there, knowing that she would catch the change, while secretly, they knew this would draw her attention away from the truck in general.

I bet if you look closely, the cigarette burns in the seats are not, quite exactly where you remember them to be. i bet there is a whole bunch of other things that have be praying on your subconscious, but can't quite put your finger on.

Yeah, yeah, thats what happened, I just know it. Prove me wrong

KO

 

I learned that philosophy many years ago. It has brought me great success as customers return to you over and over again when you are honest, even if you cost a little more at times.

Hmmm... are we in the matrix????

SOMEONE GET ME THE BLUE PILL!!!!!!




Right about now someone with AWESOME photoshop skills needs to get a Tacoma photoshopped into the matrix!

 

Shit, I was worried the name change might create that problem! Which is part of why I never changed it before! Ah well, now it will probably make it even more confusing if I change it back again. We'll give it a try for a bit......

I gotta say Keakar, you're pretty brave for proposing this idea. I'm glad you did, because it would have never occurred to me, and the mode we're in now is all about not ruling anything out until we have all the info. And since you've been doing the forum thing a whole lot longer than I have, I'm sure you already realize this, but you are probably going to get some backlash for even suggesting this could be a possibility. Hope not, and I don't think you deserve any, but I'll be surprised if you don't.

Guys, do you think a bad MAF could be what's going on? Wouldn't we have somehow figured that out by now? Or is it possible? I know Bama mentioned MAF issues on his Rav 4, I'll go back and read that again, and do some googling. Hmmm. The new ones from the dealer are $1000, this could really be an unpleasant situation if we find out something shady went on with that part, and that it's been the culprit all this time. Damn. My husband was going to do some simple test from the FSM on it right before we took it to the new mechanic, then it got dark or started raining or something. And now we can't check it, because he wanted us to basically not touch a thing until he was back, due to resetting the ECM.

And now I am INCREDIBLY EAGER to go do whatever tests we're capable of handling ourselves on it. Dang.

 

Good one K! I like it! Clearly you've already had a few J & B's, right?

Although, it did still have the same dog smell inside so thinking that's not possible. Hmm, ya think that last public announcement will help if we try to sell?

"Top dollar only please, will throw in doggie smell at no additional cost to you!"

 

If I was into the scotch, I would just be a fool, not tired as well. Still at work for another 25 minutes.

I'm thinking cheap beer tonight. My local party store has 2, 25 oz Natural Lite Ice beers for $2. Three of them bad boys and I'm good for the night. That's a good, cheep beer buzz.

If you need a MAF, let me know. It worked fine in my truck for the entire life.

Later

KO

 

OK, I'm now starting to wonder if it would be easier for you to just ship your whole damn truck out here?!? Let's see, if we priced it at one cookie per pound of the weight of the truck, how many cookies would that be? Ya think I'd get 'em all baked before I die?

Good grief man, your generosity is just seriously astounding. May be taking you up on yet another one of your insanely generous offers.....

But yeah, I should probably start a new thread, to get some different people to chime in, because clearly I am not getting enough help with our truck's problems from the "5 guys" on this thread, right?

Sorry guys, the evil side of me possessed me to say it......I will now go back to being nice and sweet....

 

don't see why, I never said engine guy did anything intentional to deceive you. you will determine that by the answers you get or don't get after you talk to him about it.

I have some background in security as well and every business can have bad employees. I have seen guys get drunk at lunch, smoking weed behind the buildings at work, even having sex with prostitutes while on the clock. you never know if your employees will steal, lie, be in cahoots with the janitor to rob places after closing, you just don't know for certain who you cant trust until something happens. hell there is no way to know who you have working for you, you just never know.

that's not a reflection on the business, although people do see it that way sometimes. but im just a realist and I know there are always bad apples in a group and when you get 10 guys together and turn out the lights you just never know if one will grab the money that's on the table.

just look at the facts and the facts in this case (if you are 1000% certain the MAF is not the one that was on the truck when you brought it to him, then the question begs to be answered as to who what how and why it happened.

 

So,,how is it running other than the start issue?. No hiccups whatsoever?.

Smooth idle?, quiet?.

 

Idle seems normal/fine. Yep, quiet as can be. No issues I can tell at all with the way it runs/drives.

But just got back from the park, and was there ~40ish minutes - horribly excessive crank time, just like before.

Still, it's so nice to have it back and be able to go places and feel some sense of "normal" for a little while.

Could having a bad MAF cause the starting issue?

 

I was just worried that someone might pop up suddenly and have a negative reaction to what you said, after all the hub bub yesterday about how I'm blaming everything under the sun on them. Glad it doesn't appear to be happening.

Yep, we will need to try to figure out the why behind it for sure - hopefully we'll be able to!

 

Yep, honesty is huge. Most people are really pretty reasonable when mistakes are made, as long as there's honesty about it. Without it though, you're left to question and doubt all the other stuff too, and that really sucks.

Seriously, are we in the matrix??????

 

You certainly cant count it out. Always room for a new defective that wont throw a code. Ask him (mech 1) if he bought a new one from Foster Auto Parts. Never had a stamp on a part from those guys. Weird. I hope they are teaching the stamper dude to be very careful with that sensor.

Did you get a itemized repair and replace sheet from mech 1?

One of the reasons I mentioned back a ways about being delicate with old injection wiring harnesses and crap like that. lets face it, as you get older, you get more brittle. Testing the path of all of those connections back to where they terminate and activate crap could take 3-4 months for most of working america. It would not be fun. So most folks Just default to purchasing a new harness, or a Upullit junkyard,,or,,,being very careful and mindful as you work. Alot of harnesses on your truck. If you replaced them all,,,lets just say there isn't enough shit to throw at the fan. No worries,,yet.

Your truck is running good as you say, lets let it be for now and just drive. Wait till Mech 2 gets back and has a looksee again with the Mode 6 ecm stuff you mentioned. Get him a good drive phase to look at, if he can.

 

I don't like thinking about that Mod. Appreciate the input, but holy crap, that is one hell of a scary possibility.

Maybe I need to take a forum hiatus for a bit, I literally don't think I can handle any more possible big scary stuff to worry about. I know you don't mean to freak me out, but I gotta be honest, it completely freaks me out.

 

Jen, a bad/defective MAF sensor will for SURE cause problems. I remember a few days ago I was asking you about that, since I had thought it was replaced, but you said it had only been cleaned. It is a possibility for sure, and something to consider. I would like to see the MAF data when you are having the hard-start issue.