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Strange Torque App information regarding O2 sensor and misfires?

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by Hal, May 8, 2015.

  1. May 8, 2015 at 8:48 AM
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    Hal

    Hal [OP] Well-Known Member

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    I have a 2005 PreRunner and it seems to be driving pretty much fine for having 170k on the odometer. The only concerning thing to me is that I ran the Torque App and got weird info that I think is incorrect. I may have misused the app or something but I'm getting "fail" readings with very high values for my misfires and I'm getting intermittent failures with O2 bank 4 sensor 4.

    Each of the cylinders reads 0 misfires, but the total reads around 56,000 somehow.. I'm not sure how it's coming to that number.

    As for the O2 sensor, I thought there was only O2 bank 1 sensor 1, bank 1 sensor 2, bank 2 sensor 1, and bank 2 sensor 2. So I am wondering what bank 4 sensor 4 is.

    Considering the vehicle drives well and the data seems inconsistent, I feel it's probably not anything to worry about. But it did make me wonder - just curious if anyone has seen this with their Torque App or knows why it might give these readings.

    I included the full report with the data of interest highlighted:

    "Test report:
    ------------------
    MID:$01 TID:$8e
    - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 1
    Max: 19.898V Min: 0.199V
    Test result value: 0.676V
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$01 TID:$91
    - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 1
    Max: 3.58984mA Min: 1.40625mA
    Test result value: 2.50781mA
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$02 TID:$07
    Minimum sensor Voltage for test cycle(calculated) - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 2
    Max: 0.195V Min: 0V
    Test result value: 0.156V
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$02 TID:$08
    Maximum sensor Voltage for test cycle(calculated) - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 2
    Max: 1.19V Min: 0.605V
    Test result value: 0.625V
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$02 TID:$8f
    - O2 Bank 1 Sensor 2
    Max: 2.49826 Min: 0
    Test result value: 0.29554
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$05 TID:$8e
    - O2 Bank 2 Sensor 1
    Max: 19.898V Min: 0.199V
    Test result value: 0.722V
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$05 TID:$91
    - O2 Bank 2 Sensor 1
    Max: 3.58984mA Min: 1.40625mA
    Test result value: 2.52344mA
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$06 TID:$07
    Minimum sensor Voltage for test cycle(calculated) - O2 Bank 2 Sensor 2
    Max: 0.195V Min: 0V
    Test result value: 0.156V
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$06 TID:$08
    Maximum sensor Voltage for test cycle(calculated) - O2 Bank 2 Sensor 2
    Max: 1.19V Min: 0.605V
    Test result value: 0.664V
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$06 TID:$8f
    - O2 Bank 2 Sensor 2
    Max: 2.49826 Min: 0
    Test result value: 0.18605
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$10 TID:$25
    - O2 Bank 4 Sensor 4
    Max: 24,636 Min: 10,488
    Test result value: 19,040
    PASS
    (Incidentally, it's not "fail" on this run, but it intermittently does fail.)
    ----
    MID:$21 TID:$a9
    - Catalyst Monitor Bank 1
    Max: 9.99393 Min: 0.25955
    Test result value: 0.26291
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$22 TID:$a9
    - Catalyst Monitor Bank 2
    Max: 9.99393 Min: 0.25955
    Test result value: 0.26291
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$30 TID:$0c
    Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) -
    Max: 53,286 Min: 22,808
    Test result value: 56,224
    FAIL

    ----
    MID:$3d TID:$c9
    - EVAP Monitor (0.020")
    Max: 32.767kPa Min: 0kPa
    Test result value: 0.22kPa
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$3d TID:$ca
    - EVAP Monitor (0.020")
    Max: 32.767kPa Min: 0kPa
    Test result value: 2.266kPa
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$3d TID:$cb
    - EVAP Monitor (0.020")
    Max: 32.767kPa Min: 0kPa
    Test result value: 1.276kPa
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$3d TID:$cd
    - EVAP Monitor (0.020")
    Max: 32.767kPa Min: 0kPa
    Test result value: 1.276kPa
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$3d TID:$ce
    - EVAP Monitor (0.020")
    Max: 32.767kPa Min: 0kPa
    Test result value: 1.958kPa
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$3d TID:$cf
    - EVAP Monitor (0.020")
    Max: 32.767kPa Min: 0kPa
    Test result value: 1.43kPa
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$3d TID:$d0
    - EVAP Monitor (0.020")
    Max: 32.767kPa Min: 0kPa
    Test result value: 2.486kPa
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$70 TID:$0c
    Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) -
    Max: 53,285 Min: 6,424
    Test result value: 56,224
    FAIL

    ----
    MID:$a1 TID:$0b
    EWMA Misfire counts (average) for last 10 drive cycles - Misfire Monitor General Data
    Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
    Test result value: 0Count
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$a1 TID:$0c
    Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) - Misfire Monitor General Data
    Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
    Test result value: 0Count
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$a2 TID:$0b
    EWMA Misfire counts (average) for last 10 drive cycles - Misfire Cylinder 1 Data
    Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
    Test result value: 0Count
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$a2 TID:$0c
    Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) - Misfire Cylinder 1 Data
    Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
    Test result value: 0Count
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$a3 TID:$0b
    EWMA Misfire counts (average) for last 10 drive cycles - Misfire Cylinder 2 Data
    Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
    Test result value: 0Count
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$a3 TID:$0c
    Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) - Misfire Cylinder 2 Data
    Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
    Test result value: 0Count
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$a4 TID:$0b
    EWMA Misfire counts (average) for last 10 drive cycles - Misfire Cylinder 3 Data
    Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
    Test result value: 0Count
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$a4 TID:$0c
    Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) - Misfire Cylinder 3 Data
    Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
    Test result value: 0Count
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$a5 TID:$0b
    EWMA Misfire counts (average) for last 10 drive cycles - Misfire Cylinder 4 Data
    Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
    Test result value: 0Count
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$a5 TID:$0c
    Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) - Misfire Cylinder 4 Data
    Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
    Test result value: 0Count
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$a6 TID:$0b
    EWMA Misfire counts (average) for last 10 drive cycles - Misfire Cylinder 5 Data
    Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
    Test result value: 0Count
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$a6 TID:$0c
    Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) - Misfire Cylinder 5 Data
    Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
    Test result value: 0Count
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$a7 TID:$0b
    EWMA Misfire counts (average) for last 10 drive cycles - Misfire Cylinder 6 Data
    Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
    Test result value: 0Count
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$a7 TID:$0c
    Misfire counts for last/current driving cycles(calculated) - Misfire Cylinder 6 Data
    Max: 65,535Count Min: 0Count
    Test result value: 0Count
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$d0 TID:$25
    -
    Max: 24,730 Min: 10,488
    Test result value: 19,040
    PASS
    ----
    MID:$e1 TID:$e8
    Manufacturer defined MID -
    Max: 3,276.69995°C Min: 75°C
    Test result value: 75.6°C
    PASS
    ----

    End of report."




    Thanks for your help if anyone knows anything about this.
     
  2. May 8, 2015 at 9:25 AM
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    127.0.0.1

    127.0.0.1 AKA ::1

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    problem #1: you don't have a bank 4 sensor 4

    torque app sucks


    all you should worry about is a proper OBDII code reader or techstream

    leave these goofy, half-assed, buggy apps as novelties only
     
  3. May 8, 2015 at 9:29 AM
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    Hal

    Hal [OP] Well-Known Member

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    Yea with the cost of the reader and app totaling around $14, I was taking it with a grain of salt. It seems that others have used it with some accuracy though.
     
  4. May 8, 2015 at 9:37 AM
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    127.0.0.1

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    I mean torque is OK but ....it's a crap way to make you worry about nothing
     
  5. May 8, 2015 at 10:14 AM
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    Sandman614

    Sandman614 Ex-Snarky TWSS elf, Travis #hotsavannahdotcom

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    What do your fuel trims look like and O2 readings? The live readings.

    For the price and a little understanding Torque works fine. I use it and have noticed some oddities but it works. Does it matter that it might read O2 as sensor 1 bank 1 or sensor 29 bank 29 as long as it shows 2 O2 and 2 AFR and you can tell which side they're on..
     
  6. May 8, 2015 at 12:04 PM
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    Hal

    Hal [OP] Well-Known Member

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    I will look at the fuel trim and O2 live readings when I get back to the truck today.

    I agree about the nomenclature. I'd prefer it be accurate as to which sensor it's referring, but I can deal with it. It does detect the correctly numbered sensors in the voltage test, so I'm curious why it comes up with that bank 4 sensor 4 one later in the report.
     

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