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Substantial lack of power, questions for anyone willing to comment.

Discussion in 'Performance and Tuning' started by Kuhl29, Jan 28, 2014.

  1. Jan 28, 2014 at 4:55 PM
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    Alright gents,
    So, I have done a small amount of work to my taco, and am curious about getting new and substantial gains. I know people talk about their opinions on forced induction, but that solution seems a little exravagant and overpriced. Let's discuss power options for my truck. $$ is not an issue in regards to solution, but I would prefer not to drop 3500 on an FI system when I can try to find gains n/a.

    Truck: '07 Tacoma, 6cyl. 4.0l
    Current mods: trd intake, magnaflow exhaust.... (Not much)
    Debating re-gear to justify the 33" tires.

    I did some research on popular suggestions. Intake manifold spacers, which don't really show any true results, seem to be a popular suggestion. Any official proof as to performance gains? Headers are another popular suggestion, but I live in California, so long tubes are not legal. Chips are common as well, but I've seen too many friends destroy motors by fucking withe the fuel/air ratio, and I have no intrest in blowing up my dirty girl....

    The floor is now yours. Leave suggestions, options, research, facts, and your own personal experiments/experiences with tuning, mods or motor work. I want power, lots of it, so let's get my dirty girl spinning tires again. Please keep posts civil and respectful. Thank you.
     
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  2. Jan 28, 2014 at 4:58 PM
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    No talk of street racing allowed... May wanna edit ur post
     
  3. Jan 28, 2014 at 4:58 PM
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    Supercharger will be the biggest gain in power. Bigger wheels will slow you down. Exhaust is good too.
     
  4. Jan 28, 2014 at 5:00 PM
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    Noted changing now.
     
  5. Jan 28, 2014 at 5:01 PM
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    Ur asking for "lots of power" and money not being an issue, but dont wanna commit to a blower.

    Ur not gunna get "lots of power" without forced induction.

    Maybe a few here and there but nothing like boost

    Ur not gunna find chips anyhow so dont worry about ur buddies trucks.
     
  6. Jan 28, 2014 at 5:02 PM
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    Look up the username Torspd and follow any links in his signature
     
  7. Jan 28, 2014 at 5:02 PM
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    Without either forced induction or an engine swap you are essentially not going to get any real noticeable power gains.
     
  8. Jan 28, 2014 at 5:06 PM
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    Is that truly the best and only true power mod? And thank you, I will look him up, I appreciate the feedback.
     
  9. Jan 28, 2014 at 5:07 PM
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    I see.... Thank you.
     
  10. Jan 28, 2014 at 5:11 PM
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    Best..... Yes

    Only, no


    But an instant bump from 236hp crank to 300+ on avg is nice, plus u can still use other bolt ons, and swap the pulley after taking fuel system precautions.
     
  11. Jan 28, 2014 at 5:13 PM
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    Fair enough. Thank you for the information. I do appreciate it.
     
  13. Jan 29, 2014 at 9:43 AM
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    I'll just post here :spy:

    The links in my sig have a substantial amount of dyno graphs. Including the mods listed.

    Lucario Runner is likely the highest HP/TQ N/A 1GR, on a stock engine, out there.

    If you want gains, and live in CA, then you need to keep your stock parts. The good thing is, that you have an '07.

    You want good N/A gains that stay in place if you get a TRD s/c down the line (all exhaust and tuning can be retained if you decided to get the URD s/c), then you need the AFe intake, URD Spec-U long tube headers, URD Y-pipe, 2.5" Catback, and a UCON EMS (as is basically the most user friendly plug n play aftermarket EMS on the market). They are plenty other available for your year model as well.

    Further would be the larger FJ throttle body and adapter from URD.

    That will net you around 260-270 whp and ~300+ wtq. All N/A. And considering that stock is about 198whp, 235wtq, that is a huge gain.
     
  14. Jan 29, 2014 at 5:50 PM
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    Wow, I was going to search you up today when I got off work. I really appreciate the information. I will definitely take all of that into account when getting ready to buy. Thanks again.
     
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    Never mind...just saw a post from his/it's owner on another thread
     
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    go Racecouch :D
     
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    I would think that would qualify for sig material, no?
     
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    Short of what Torspd have said already, your own restriction of no force induction will greatly limit your choices. You can cam the engine or stroke it but then again you live in the nazi state of california so smog test "might" result in fail.
     
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