Supercharge 3rd Gen or Trade for 4th Gen?

https://www.nei.org/resources/statistics/state-electricity-generation-fuel-shares

also, the price of electricity has increased due to increased demand to the point that it’s now sometimes more expensive to charge an EV than to fill up an ICE vehicle. I remember when that was one of the major advantages touted by advocates. If EVs really are the future we should allow the free market to dictate how it works out. Too often when the government picks winners and losers their “winners” end up being proven to be losers.

 

Even an EV powered by 100% coal is cleaner than a comparable ICE vehicle. Regardless, given the actual breakdown of US power generation any statement to the effect that EVs are just powered by coal is false.

 

don’t feed the haters, brother! Hybrids (especially the yota ones) are fine. Saw somebody mention dragging around 2 drivetrains, but i don’t even know what that means. My hybrid puts petrol and electric in a line for a single drivetrain, and its a friggin blast to drive!

And sounds like you know option 3 is where you wanna be for a bit longer. Best of luck with whatever you decide, as long as it means still having a taco!

 

Just as a side note, I took my truck over Sonora pass twice in three days a few weeks ago, and I shit you not, I spent miles wrung out in first gear just trying to climb. The pass is that steep. I had 2 passengers and maybe 400lbs in the bed and a full tank of gas. I was getting passed (illegally but I can't blame them) by every vehicle that had a useful transmission or engine.

You can wring the shit out of the 3.5, but that doesn't even help at 9k ft elevation. I could have pedaled a bike faster than my truck was going.

 

I don’t believe I said that but I am encouraged to see that at least in my state of SC nuclear is a much bigger source of electricity than coal.

And does no one care that very few of these batteries are actually being recycled. They just end up in a landfill. And don’t get me started on the harm to the environment from the strip mining to get the ingredients and the harm to the environment when one catches fire.

 

The most environmentally friendly vehicle ever made is the Jeep wrangler. From a resource cost perspective, the design has little changed since its inception. It's not very efficient from a MPG standpoint, but from a design standpoint, it's about as cheap as you can get.

 

Again, a popular false narrative. The batteries don’t end up in landfills, that’s illegal pretty much everywhere. EV battery packs are not recycled in the typical sense often (completely torn down to basic minerals and reused) but they are reused in a lot of applications. Home/grid power back up systems and torn down to component cells and rebuilt are common second life uses. Remember, the battery isn’t a single piece, it’s a series of modules themselves made up of a number of individual battery cells. Typically an EV battery pack fails because a single module has bad cells, the rest is completely usable for other purposes.

 

The US is far from being a global lead... but Since 2010, the US electric power sector has retired some 30% of its whole coal plant generating capacity, and no new coal plants have opened in the US since 2013. - A pretty solid trend, I'd say.

It is economics. It is cheaper to build a new solar plant than to KEEP operating an EXISTING coal plant...

So the power mix is (and ALL EVs are) continuously getting cleaner with time as evil-renewable-generation gets increasingly added. (Insert gasp in horror here.)

- EV Batteries in landfills - that is laughable... They are quite valuable for other applications. Only a fool would take one to the dump. The recycling industry is growing slowly - mostly because of the low supply of batteries available TO BE recycled...

As I said. I've been unable to secure even one that is junk (for EV Purposes) for my purposes for a reasonable amount of $$...

I fuel exclusively from the sunshine falling on my roof. So no coal and no fuel bill or additional electric bill.

(Of course, I do charge elsewhere on long trips - but that is still free ($). - And yes I did pay for solar panels, to power the house and 2+ EVs so I'm sure I burn more charcoal than coal!)

 

I'd love to buy an EV. The minute they make one that does 600 miles on a charge towing 10k lbs and recharges in 20 minutes, I'll be there with my checkbook.

 

For those who are close to Ventura, Ca. Magnuson is offering free install with purchase of their superchargers.
This offer includes 3rd gen Tacoma, install in their shop, ends July 31st, 2024

 

Well that's only 2 days from now. Why didn't you let me know this a month ago

 

I did Pike's Peak on the way to Moab, which was up to 14k, on the switchbacks was 1st on every corner and 2nd on the straights, truck was gasping for air the entire time with maybe 600 lbs. in the bed (along with 33" E-load tires and about 350 lbs. of armor), but I have a hard time believing anything but EV's excel in that environment. The train that goes to the peak is literally cog driven because at those inclines the rails don't provide enough friction to keep the train from sliding all the way to the bottom. Almost wished I would have had the 2Lo mod at the time. Going over the mountains in Colorado on I-70, I found 3rd gear was more than manageable for the really long steep bits, and that's up above 11k at the Eisenhower tunnel. Is wrung out redline? I feel like the truck has plenty of power from 4-6k RPM's, even at elevation. But then again, I can feel the difference in my truck if I had a particularly robust trip to the grocery store. I think manuals are certainly easier to live with in these situations regardless, if not just for the 4.3 vs. 3.91 gears but the ability to leave it in a single gear and let it eat.

 

I had a 2011 RAM hemi with the 5.7 and a 3.93 rear end. I took that over Sonora once and it gave literally zero fucks about just cruising up the grades. "There's no replacement for displacement" still has merit when trucks have to do truck stuff

 

True, but we're talking about Tacomas and how to live with them in an extreme 1% use case, not full size v8's (which would still get walked by a turbo diesel, etc. etc.). People don't buy Tacomas to do traditional "truck stuff" i.e. towing or hauling heavy, they buy them because they could use a bed occasionally and don't need to drive around a school bus every day. Tacomas and the small pickups before them have always been underpowered (for reliability) compared to any domestic offering, so anybody expecting otherwise didn't read the fine print.

 

I hear you, but Toyota could absolutely build a taco that carries its weight power to weight wise as a full size if they wanted to. Instead we get a neutered 3.5 lexus motor that rips shit up in the lexus but struggles to do any truck stuff in the tacoma. I'm not complaining (I'm absolutely complaining) because Toyota makes these trucks to last forever, but fuck, give me just a little bit of useful power Toyota, please lol

 

My hemi ran circles around my dad's '03 7.3 diesel both in power and fuel economy. It towed our big boat just as well and got better MPGs. Only thing my 1500 didn't have vs his F350 was a heavier ass end with leaf springs.

 

I mean, yeah, I'd prefer a UZ family v8 or a JZ family I6 in my Tacoma vs. any v6 for more low end torque, I think most of us would, but then that eats into the Tundra's sales. I think we were given the closest we'll get to the perfect Toyota "trucks" in the form of the 4th gen v8 4runner and similar v8 Lexus SUV's, we just can't have a bed with them.

 

So, so much plastic on those new trucks. I know I'm just bitching to bitch, and I know nobody is gonna make me another '79 F150 with a 351m and a D60 rear and D44 front with manual locking hubs and two 25 gallon tanks, and a stick with a 7:1 first gear ever again, buy why. WHYYYYY. Give the people that use their trucks offroad what they want lol

 

For the delta on the new pro vs your current pro you could just drop a diesel toys diesel in there.

https://www.dieseltoys.com/2016-2023-tacoma

 

Imagine trying to make that thing play nice with all the 3rd gen electronics. Even if you buy their wiring harness. I'm all about it on paper, but that looks like a $25k purchase that turns into a $40k mess you're still trying to fix 5 years later lol