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Surging/Thrusting Problem Under Acceleration

Discussion in '1st Gen. Tacomas (1995-2004)' started by jberry813, Jan 2, 2013.

  1. Jan 14, 2013 at 5:50 PM
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    You asked that already, though I did reply with pvc instead of pcv.
    But yes....tested per fsm.

     
  2. Jan 14, 2013 at 6:01 PM
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    Find a Toyota specific mechanic if you go that route. If you take it to those big name places they just fiddle fuck around with a computer and shotgun parts at them. There's probably some guy around there that has been working on toyotas since the 22re was new.
     
  3. Jan 14, 2013 at 6:02 PM
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    Oh true. My trans am cracked a hose when I was changing valve springs. Then got it tuned never ran right. Had a good afr just never right. One day found the crack and retuned it. Boom picked up 2 tenths and 3 mpg.

    I mostly am pissed at myself that's why I'm maki g sure that's not it for you
     
  4. Jan 14, 2013 at 6:20 PM
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    $165-only after Eric helps you figure it out. Then the mechanic.
     
  5. Jan 14, 2013 at 7:00 PM
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    Yeah that's true. Getting schedules to align is a little difficult though. I'm at quarter end this month so my work schedule is more hectic than normal.

    I will say though, this has been the first time I've really REALLY missed the bay area. I could have called in favors from like 4 different guys and started swapping parts and probably would have had this fucking problem nipped in the ass already and it would have only cost me beer and bad jokes.
     
  6. Jan 14, 2013 at 7:55 PM
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    I might be going back to that quarter end crap...

    Yah. I wish there was something easy I could do to help. Distance sucks.
     
  7. Jan 14, 2013 at 8:06 PM
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    Truck has to be under load for the symptoms to occur, so yes.
    Intake is all the same. Factory airbox, tube, and filter. Hell I even pulled the filter out all together for a test drive to see if it made a difference...it didn't.
     
  8. Jan 14, 2013 at 11:57 PM
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    why are you worrying about filter/pump? you tested the pressure and it was good correct?
     
  9. Jan 15, 2013 at 6:39 AM
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    That is what one would think. however a clogged supply line, depending on the type of clog, can actually cause a higher initial pressure. Though it would not cause what is happening in his case I believe. Yes, as I mentioned a clogged return line can cause an increase in pressure. What we are trying to also figure out however is what is causing the "jitter" in the pressure when his problem occurs.

    Good test and that helps to rule out an electrical problem as far as the fuel pump goes. I am thinking without us being able to run any of the more extensive tests that I can run here, that you might be best to consider replacing that FPR. Then clear all codes before you drive it. The FPR is still a possible suspect, and I am REALLY leaning towards that as the failure. This is why: There is a spring inside that controls the pressure. This pressure can be further controlled by manifold vacuum. If the FPR is having a problem, the fluctuating needle on the gauge could be a result of the spring "pulsating" due to a higher pressure. I don't know how to explain it any better. A good regulator SHOULD be able to control a higher pump pressure, but only to an extent. 5 PSI is not that big, so perhaps that is where your problem is at. Everything is leading to the FPR at this point as we now know that your electrical control of the fuel pump is good.

    as for shooting yourself for taking it to a mechanic (lol) don't look at it that way. Technicians like me have been doing this for over 20 years. How long have you been doing it? IT is never a bad idea to give something to a professional. I can do a lot of different things, and am a WIZ at numbers, but when it comes to my business taxes, I won't even THINK of doing it myself, and am willing to pay the $500 it costs to get my business and personal taxes done by a pro.

    I disagree with you "big name places" thoughts there. I have worked in GM dealerships for over 17 years, and I could still properly fix Toyota, Ford, Dodge, and other vehicles. What one needs to look for is a personal referenced tech who does things like I do: I don't put in a part until I know that it is bad. I spend a lot of time checking and verifying before I replace something. Not to say that sometimes you have to make an educated guess. Every tech does that every once in a while. But I try to never do that if I can because it is not fair to my customers.

    Did you ever try the test under a "power brake" as I had mentioned? You may have and I just forgot or missed your reply.

    If you look back you will notice that we actually are having a problem with the fuel pressure. When the failure occurs he is seeing a pressure fluctuation on the gauge.
     
  10. Jan 15, 2013 at 8:33 AM
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    Why didn't anyone tell me to pop the hood on my tundra? I just checked and the FPR has an identical bolt pattern, diameter, and according to the Tundra FSM, the same fuel pressure regulating requirements as the 5vz. Just the angle of the fuel and vacuum lines are slightly different, but i think it'll work as a test.

    As for blowing my brains out, while I don't claim to be a mechanic, but both my parents were. And I just hate the idea of having to take it somewhere else. It's a mental hurdle. My dad was a mechanic my entire life and my parents used to own a mom and pop auto shop. I was doing tune ups and helping out around the shop when I was 10 thru junior high.
    My dad is probably rolling over in his grave right now. I actually had a lengthy conversation with my mom about the truck last night going over everything. She interrogated me left and right about what I've done so far and my findings. She did mention the engine coolant temperature (ECT) sensor also plays into engine management and something I haven't touched as far as measuring resistance. Hell I still have an extra one on the shelf from the old engine.

    I didn't! I skipped it when I chased the red herring A/F sensor.
    I'll do it today sometime.
     
  11. Jan 15, 2013 at 9:35 AM
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    Dam Jason D.w. DO WORK! Sucks you r still chasing this lil bitch of a gremelin. At least if I have this issue later I know who to call :eek:
     
  12. Jan 15, 2013 at 10:10 AM
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    I GIVE UP!

    I pulled the FPR from the Tundra. Was a perfect fit except the fuel nipple for the return line was on top of the head so I flipped the whole FPR upside down for a quick test and it worked. Put everything back together and same fucking surge. If anything more noticeable. Seriously, I give up.

    Power brake under same scenario (rpm/gear/etc) also causes surging.
     
  13. Jan 15, 2013 at 10:28 AM
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    Ect sensor can def do it. Happened on my ls1. If you have a scangauge though you can watch that. Or the gauge will be going wild too.
     
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    Temp gauge is normal. Cold when cold, warm when warm, nothing funny.

    I have an OBDII tool that I run on my computer that I can monitor basic crap and can see open/closed loop. It's bluetooth so it doesn't update the fastest, but it doesn't show it switching between open/closed loop. Just shows closed loop during the surge.
     
  15. Jan 15, 2013 at 12:56 PM
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    I have a stupid question. Are you sure the surging is the engine? Could the clutch be slipping?
     
  16. Jan 15, 2013 at 1:18 PM
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    It's definitely surging. I've been through my share of of clutches on different vehicles.
     
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    I had to ask. Sometimes it feels like the vehicle is surging when the clutch slips.

    You've checked for vacuum leaks, checked all the injectors, blah blah. The only thing that remains is the pump and the filter.
     
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    And whatever other effing sensors affect engine/fuel management.....
    And I don't believe the filter is the issue at all. Perhaps if I was still forced induction, maybe. But the fact I'm back to NA...who cares if the filter is slightly more restrictive than the Denso filter. That and...this is a new problem that has happened with two filters, and I had the old filter for quite some time without issue.
     
  19. Jan 15, 2013 at 2:35 PM
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    I think it's time to find someone to do the diagnosis for you. At least you know what it's not :D
     
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    So I did a little yelping for a mechanic. Found a guy that had good reviews, and all the bad reviews was because the customer said the guy was cocky, arrogant, and generally a prick...sounds a bit like me so what the hell...figure I would drop in unannounced.

    Drove over to where the shop was supposed to be at...but no shop. Called the number and spoke to the owner, Karl. Cheeky British bastard on the phone. Ask where they were located and he responded back with "Why do you want to know that...do you have an appointment?" Told him no, but wanted to talk to him about a problem with my Tacoma. His response was (use best British accent) "Toyota Tacoma? Bloody fantastic truck. Come on over," and gives me the new address.

    So I drive over, explain the situation. He goes over everything in his head. Runs inside and grabs some fancy ass OBDII scan tool and starts my truck. Runs thru some checks or something revs the throttle slowly a few times and then tells me it feels like it's missing a little bit and I must be getting absolute shit gas mileage (which I am...more than normal) and he bets the front coil is weak. Hops out and says, and I quote, "I love your truck, you're insufferable, but I love your truck. Call me tomorrow at lunch time and I'll think about it some more and let you know if I have any other ideas." No charge.

    Soooooooooo that's where we're at. I really want to borrow someone's coils before I spend $75/coil.
     

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