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taco issues not resolved yet..

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Tacomas (2005-2015)' started by ywen, Feb 14, 2010.

  1. Feb 14, 2010 at 1:15 PM
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    boom??
     
  4. Feb 14, 2010 at 1:41 PM
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    Probably the single greatest argument in the history of man. Who needs to put things like facts....or even opinions...down for people to think about when you have "boom"
     
  5. Feb 14, 2010 at 1:45 PM
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    You have the ability to read and comprehend the facts for yourself right?
     
  6. Feb 14, 2010 at 1:47 PM
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    i would have to think long and hard before buying/upgrading to a "new" tacoma.my 05 has been great.sounds like alot of the problems are on the 09 and 10s.
     
  7. Feb 14, 2010 at 1:49 PM
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    Yeah....I do. I don't however think you posted anything "earth shattering."
    If you didn't see this coming since the recalls started-Well...Needless to say "boom" doesn't describe what I felt. Mine was more of a "no shit...".

    Of course they are going to go back and re-evaluate all the complaints.
     
  8. Feb 14, 2010 at 1:51 PM
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    Okay well then the above sentiment was different than your 1st reply.. Had you began with stating your viewpoint as such I wouldn't have questioned your reading comprehension skills.
     
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    From 2005 to 2008 Toyota sold over 675,000 tacomas. Make the math easy and say they're up to 750,000 now, which is a very conservative and low balled estimate.

    100 complaints? That's one per roughly 7500 (probably more) vehicles. You're going to have a hard time convincing me it's outside the normal number of defects seen in any vehicle manufacturing process.

    I'm sorry, but panic is panic. You're more likely to die from heart disease than your Tacoma. If you're not scared of eating french fries, you're not allowed to be scared of unintended acceleration in your truck.
     
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    Pretty sure you could have thought about it for two seconds and realized that I read (and posted) in a few threads around here....so reading comprehension isn't really an issue.

    Now...Since you didn't do that...I can only assume this (and the majority of your recent posts) is just trolling for attention on this given topic. (cause it's not like there is a LACK of threads to post this article in...but you started a new one??)
     
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    Do you actually know the industry norm? The market share : complaints ratio against toyota is significantly higher than the rest of the industry, hence the heightened attention on Toyota issues.

    I don't know the actual figure for Tacomas but as a brand, 40% of all complaints from last year of sudden acceleration were against Toyota. Tell me that figure is not outside the norm.

    AFAIK, my post was the first thread linking to that source indicating ALL Tacoma sudden acceleration issues are being looked into. If it's a repost, then I'm sorry.
     
  12. Feb 14, 2010 at 1:58 PM
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    Yes.

    Yes

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    That's only one hundred on file. I wonder how many complaints died at the dealership.
     
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    I'm not concerned with the industry norm. The only aspect I care about here is whether this situation was within Toyota's quality control specs. No manufacturing process can ever have a 100% quality success rate. It's a statistical impossibility.

    100/675,000+ is probably well within their error margin. You can ask them for the statistics yourself, but I doubt they're going to give you proprietary information.

    I'd need to see the stats. Logic would dictate that the company that sells more vehicles than any other would likely receive more complaints than any other.

    Don't misunderstand me: Toyota may have a problem with sudden acceleration. But the problem is so mathematically remote, I'm not going to give a shit about it until it becomes more likely to happen to me than being hit by a meteor.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_OtbXmu9kg

    You know what? Never mind. Excuse me while I go panic.
     
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    How many deserved to?

    In other words, how many of these problems are genuinely a result of Toyota's manufacturing/parts, how many are a result of poor maintenance, how many are a result of driver error, how many are just dumb luck?

    Assigning those categories properly is the 65 million dollar question.

    As stated, I'm not going to freak out until someone can give me a legitimate reason to do so that poses more danger to me than death by shark attack.
     
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    Yeah obviously.. that should go without saying. The fact is, Toyota has about 16% US market share but 40% of all sudden acceleration claims from last year.. If you think that 40% figure is acceptable then I believe you will be in the minority.
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Eu3cPBu460
    boom
     
  19. Feb 14, 2010 at 2:20 PM
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    Hahaha wtf!
     
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    I have a rule of thumb in life:

    - If they give you percentages, the numbers are small.
    - If they give you numbers, the percentages are small.

    40% of claims? Great. How many sudden acceleration claims were there?

    You're essentially saying to me:

    "Of people that had a certain kind of problem, most of them had them with Toyotas!"

    And I'm replying

    "Yes, but the likelihood of having that kind of problem in any vehicle of any brand is miniscule and not even worth thinking about unless you're scared of your shadow."

    And you are rebutting

    "But if you did, it would probably be with a Toyota!"


    Do you see why I still don't care? Do you see why you won't be able to make me until you show up with something other than media panic?
     
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