Tacoma Vs. Rivian

Yeah, I park outside cause I’m a homeless bum living in my travel trailer. I am on Carson, I think I was driving around about that time yesterday.

 

That’s not too bad. Especially being extremely cold.

 

GF has a 21 RAV 4 Hybrid and we love it but in doing lots of research lately..................I personally don't believe the future New World Order intends for all of us, the commoners, the luxury of accessing unlimited energy available everywhere you want to go. The grid will just not support current technology for all. And forget those casual road trips and adventure riding. It will depend on your social credit score if you're allowed energy.

From a friend via email:

Japan's Toyota -- is currently the world's largest automaker. Toyota and Volkswagen vie for that title each year -- each taking the crown from the other -- as the market moves.

GM -- America's largest automaker -- is about half Toyota's size --thanks to its 2009 bankruptcy and restructuring.

Actually -- Toyota is a major car manufacturer in the U.S. In 2016 about 81% of the cars it sold in the U.S. came off American assembly lines.

Toyota was among the first to introduce gas/electric hybrid cars with the Prius twenty years ago. The company hasn't been afraid to change the car game.

All of this is to point out that Toyota understands both the car market and the infrastructure that supports the car market Probably understands better than any other manufacturer on the planet.

Toyota hasn't grown through acquisitions as Volkswagen has, and it hasn't undergone bankruptcy and bailout as GM has. Toyota has grown by building reliable cars and trucks for decades.

When Toyota offers an opinion on the car market it's probably worth listening to.

This week Toyota reiterated -- The world is not yet ready to support a fully electric auto fleet.

Toyota's Robert Wimmer (head of energy & environmental research) said this week in testimony before the U.S. Senate, "If we are to make dramatic progress in electrification it will require overcoming tremendous challenges - challenges including : refueling infrastructure/battery availability /consumer acceptance / and affordability.”

Wimmer's remarks come on the heels of GM's announcement that it will phase out all gas internal combustion engines (ICE) by 2035.

Tellingly, both Toyota and Honda have so far declined to make any such promises. Honda is the world's largest engine manufacturer (when you include : boats / motorcycles / lawnmowers / etc) Honda competes with Briggs & Stratton in those markets amid increased electrification of [traditionally gas powered] lawnmowers / weed trimmers /etc

While manufacturers have announced ambitious goals just 2% of the world's cars are electric at this point.

Buyers continue to choose ICE over electric because of: price /range / infrastructure /affordability / etc. Only a small percentage of people would choose an electric car unless forced to by

There are 289.5 million cars just on U.S. roads as of 2021. About 98 percent of them are gas-powered.

Toyota's RAV4 took the top spot for purchases in the 2019 U.S market -- Honda's CR-V is second and GM's top seller (Equinox) comes in at #4 behind the Nissan Rogue. GM only has one entry in the U.S.top 15. Toyota and Honda dominate - each with a handful in the top 15.

Toyota warns: the US electrical grid and infrastructure simply aren't there to support the electrification of the private car fleet.

A 2017 U.S. government study found we would need about 8,500 strategically-placed charging stations to support a fleet of just 7 millionelectric cars.

That's about six times the current number of electric cars.

But no one should be talking about supporting just 7 million cars.

We should be talking about powering about 300 million within the next 20 years if all manufacturers follow GM and stop making ICE cars.

We are gonna need a biggerenergyboat to deal with connecting all those cars to the power grids -a WHOLE LOT bigger boat

But instead of building a bigger boat we may be shrinking our boat. Power outages in California and Texas have exposed issues with power supplies even at current usage levels.

Increasing usage of wind and solar, -- both of whichproveunreliable -- has driven some coal and natural gas generators offline

We will need much more generation capacity to power about 300 million cars if we're all going to be forced to drive electric cars, and we will be charging them frequently. Every roadside gas station must be wired to charge electric cars and charging speeds must increase greatly

Current technology allows charges in "as little as 30 minutes" - but that best-case fast charging cannot be done on home power Charging at home (on alternating current) takes a few hours to overnight and will increase the home power bill.

That power, like all electricity in the United States, comes from generators using: natural gas /petroleum/coal/nuclear/wind/solar/or hydroelectric sources.

Even half an hour is an unacceptably long time to spend charging. It's about 5 to 10 times longer than a gas pump takes Imagine big rigs with much larger tanks. Imagine the charging lines that would form every day if charge time isn't reduced by 70 to 80 percent

We can expect improvements but those won't come without cost. Electrifying the auto fleet requires massive overhaul of the power grid and an enormous increase in power generation.

Toyota has publicly warned about this twice while its smaller rival GM is pushing to go electric. GM may be trying to win favor with those in power in California/ Washington / and in the media.

Toyota's addressing reality, and they know what they are talking about.

Toyota isn't saying none of this can be done. They are saying that conversations are not anywhere near serious and will not produce meaningful results



The True Cost of Electric Cars Batteries - YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/XV9ijKAubfU

 

Solid state batteries are coming requiring little to no cobalt or lithium.

 

Not for me that’s for sure, but im glad some people like them it was hard enough to get my truck as it is

 

I still remember taking that English Lit. class all those years ago where the professor had us reads excerpts from Richardson’s Clarissa (1748?). It at that point was the longest novel in the English language. And it’s in the form of letters! Dear X, today I drove on some bumpy roads. Dearest Y, me too! Etc. I’m not sure why I brought this up.

 

haven't kept up on the chemistry of these.... what do they use instead?

 

That would be great if it truly becomes a reality. But I just don't see the infrastructure ever being available for all....................

 

Plenty of time to sort that out before everybody is driving electric cars.

 

Infrastructure bill was approved and money is being allocated for improvements/upgrades as well as thousands of charges along interstates. Solid State batteries will be available under a decade or sooner. It's a long thread but all of this has been discussed exhaustively here.

 

I sincerely hope that all comes true.

 

The lobby with the most money will win. Whoever can slip the most dirty money to the most politicians will get exactly what they want. Science, logic and the will of the people be damned.

Ah America.

 

It's all on track. BMW bought SS battery tech licensing from a Colorado SS battery maker and is fast tracking SS batts. Infrastructure bill money is still being allocated for distribution so it's all happening now.

 

When hasn't this happened?

 

1778 things started going downhill and hasn't stopped since.

 

A couple of important facts. Not everyone will charging every car at the same time and the grid is fine pretty much everywhere but CA. We’re adding more solar and wind to it every day. At the same time we are using less energy in buildings by making them more efficient. There will be more than enough capacity by the time most people switch to EVs.

 

According to KBB Ford Lighting is the better EV truck over the R1T, and the Tacoma is the best midsize truck also beating out the Rivian.

Rivian being classified as both a BEV and Midsize truck.

 

I mean, the Rivian is pretty amazing for something being built and engineered by a company with the fraction of a budget a multinational corporation like Ford or Toyota can pour into a project.

 

Sounds like a pattern then

 

I think it's the most interesting EV out there, I'd say it's more of an SUV with a bed than a pick up. Even if the R1T had a conventional gas engine that it wouldn't be a bad vehicle. If it was ICE, I don't think it would get much attention.