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Tacoma Vs. Rivian

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by mustainefan, Jul 25, 2022.

  1. Aug 1, 2022 at 8:41 PM
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    apreston1

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    You seem to ignore reality…I’m not crying and refuse to acknowledge your hyperbole. The fact is the current grid does not support current requirements, warning signs of risks go back for a decade so stuff your “status quo” statement because there has been no substantial investment in sustainable infrastructure improvement. Emphasis on “sustainable” and added commentary on forward looking technology investment. Tell me WHEN the status quo will change? BTW you are far from “special”.
     
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  2. Aug 1, 2022 at 8:43 PM
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    Please explain in which way? There isn't one grid, it's a series of interconnects of various regional grids. Which components 'can't handle demand'?
     
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  3. Aug 1, 2022 at 8:44 PM
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    Eh cuz they arent wrong. I think people are just burned out of all the EV talk, go green, yadd yadda, its all kind of bullshit anyway. We know there will be a shift in EV, we know that charging wont be free. I think what the conclusion really comes down to is it really wont make a difference.

    Think about how long it took people to adopt airplanes and how long it took to become mainstream travel, even cars took decades to catch on and these were ground breaking new technologies that changed peoples lives.

    EV's are still just cars, unless they can travel through time or hover, they really wont catch on for decades to come. We will all be long dead before EV's become the primary means of transportation
     
  4. Aug 1, 2022 at 8:45 PM
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    They're just cars, but getting some extra performance and half the operating cost on the same vehicle isn't a bad thing. :p I didn't say a gosh darned thing about 'green'.
     
  5. Aug 1, 2022 at 8:49 PM
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    Sorry, my reply was directed at Grindstone, not you.
    I appreciate you responses as they generate thoughtful conversation.
    Unfortunately the Texas grid as manage by ERCOT is not tied in tightly to the national grid.
     
  6. Aug 1, 2022 at 8:52 PM
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    Yup, ERCOT's an interesting case study, but 'ercot cannot support EVs' does not necessarily mean that increased EV %ages are going to kill the whole grid. You're more likely for the more affluent neighborhoods to overload their substation, than a 'grid collapse' situation. Plus, like i said - 'demand response'. Utilities will literally pay you to charge at certain hours and not other hours. (or run your a/c at certain hours and not others).
     
  7. Aug 1, 2022 at 9:05 PM
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    Eh it's like solar, doesn't exactly have a better ROI.
     
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  8. Aug 1, 2022 at 9:07 PM
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    sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. We needed an upgrade to the old TDI Jetta, the R4P fit the bill. I can directly compare hybrid (gas) mode and EV mode on it. Hybrid mode is twice the running costs. Cost between the two vehicles would be exactly the same (10k of rebates really helps) so it's just about running costs on the same vehicle. Every time I plug in, I'm saving money.
     
  9. Aug 1, 2022 at 9:12 PM
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    So what do you mean by operating costs? I assume you are just comparing pump price?
     
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  10. Aug 1, 2022 at 9:19 PM
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    Considering my reference frame is a Toyota Rav4 prime that can run on both ICE(hybrid) and EV modes, I'm purely talking about the cost per mile difference between running on gasoline (in hybrid) vs running on electricity.

    Everything else is a flat cost (loan payback, insurance, etc).
     
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  11. Aug 1, 2022 at 9:35 PM
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    I see, well I do think the real long term is plug-in hybrids. I like the idea of what Formula 1 is doing with their powerplants, turbo-hybrid with MGU-K/H. You get the best of everything really and they are moving to sustainable fuels sources. They will never go full EV since they already have a seperate formula E division but I can see that being the long game for sure. I think ICE combined with other technologies is what we should focus more on as opposed to pure EV.
     
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  12. Aug 1, 2022 at 10:02 PM
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    It helps if you remember that poster is in Texas. Their grid ain't right like the rest of us. ;)
     
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    I surely hope so. I know that they're the future, but not my future. My 1st Gen will last me the rest of my days unless some "Moron" not paying attention wrecks my truck.
     
  14. Aug 2, 2022 at 4:34 AM
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    Probably not too well but at least the electricity will still be flowing to top of the charge. TX will be frozen in a blackout. :)
     
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  15. Aug 2, 2022 at 5:15 AM
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    An EV would be fine for me and my wife. We're retired and rarely drive more than a hundred miles a month. I would like to give the car makers a little more time to put the best technology out on the showroom floor. Im not concerned with 0 to 60 times, just want the most reliable product possible.
     
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  16. Aug 2, 2022 at 6:12 AM
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    Might be too muck torque.
     
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  17. Aug 2, 2022 at 6:56 AM
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    An EV would be perfect for my wife since her round trip commute is only 3 miles. Could do a golf cart, she didn’t care for that idea, especially in the winter. Doesn’t make sense financially though, costs us hardly anything for her current long been paid for vehicle. The insurance costs more per month than what gas she puts in.

    I hear you on the 0-60 times, could care less. Rather have reliable and longest range possible.
     
  18. Aug 2, 2022 at 7:28 AM
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    It sounds like it’s the hub bolts that are the problem and not the wheel studs. So the entire hub is loosening up and coming off, not just the wheel? How is that even possible? Toyota has made millions of vehicles that the wheels didn’t fall off of. It sounds like they have no solution to fix it either.
     
  19. Aug 2, 2022 at 4:03 PM
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    I love these threads!

    The Rivian to me looks like it has Fetal Alcohol Syndrome and the Toyota has its issues but I can't help but feel like that Rivian will be in a landfill next to the S-10's, Dakota V8's, and Rangers that I thought were cool back in the day when I bought my first new vehicle (Gen1 Tacoma AC V6 Auto TRD OR) long before even my friday built Turd Gen.

    Edit: I think once the e-vehicles work out the obvious issues it'll be the future but I hope it looks better
     
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