Tacoma vs Tundra decision...

Go Tundra all day and twice on Sunday. I own a Tacoma TRD OFF ROAD in quicksand with the TRD pro fox suspension added. I also have 2019 Tundra Pro in super white. The 5.7 is such a superior powerplant with not too much of an mpg hit. I wish the taco kept the 4.0 in the previous Gen and 4runner. The 3.5 is lacking IMO

 

Just came from a 2015 taco into a 2010 tundra. Engine and trans is the same 07-current. Mpg is fine. Road trips I saw 19mpg, mixed driving I get around 16. It’s leveled on 33s. The newer gen tundras are lacking compared to the other models like f150 and Silverado, but I still feel like the tundra is overall better as a truck.

Rented a 2018 Silverado for 2 weeks. Motor and trans are good. Mpg is decent. Tech package was nice. Rode too soft tho. Like a blown out Cadillac . Can’t imagine it handling even remotely comfortable with weight in the bed.

Then had a 2019 f150 for a week. Very nice. Almost bought one. But the tech package that’s standard is crap, and to get something even remotely decent means upgrading the trim package.

Then tundras. Motor feels good. 6 speed vs a 10 speed on the other two but it felt so much better. Like the torque was just ready. Only issue I’ve heard of is cam tower seals seeping. The fix is extensive but the seepage is negligible. Tech package is ok on the tundras. Rear camera is in my opinion the best. Feels the most like a truck. I wouldn’t waste the $ on a pro though. Get a 4x4 off-road and go from there

 

What about other dealerships? Different service departments can have vastly different reactions to the same issue. Although even with a regear, you're still stuck with a 0.58 6th gear. Nonetheless, Nitro put out a video showcasing 4.88 gears and its effect on driveability on a stock TRDOR, not sure if it's worth a look.

I know exactly how you feel. Once I had a flawless '17 F-150 5.0 that was lost to an accident, and I got an '18 thinking it'd be the same. 5.0 with VCT rattles when cold; 5.0 knocks like a diesel at idle; 5.0 burns oil; 10R80 shifts like the bellhousing is filled with metal shavings and water; 10R80 that slams, clunks and slips randomly; 10R80 that whistles and whines obscenely loudly; unfixable highway vibration; excessive driver side bed shake; driver's door popping. With the exception of the brake pedal bushings being dry from the factory, everything either deemed "normal" by Ford, or a TSB applied to no avail then deemed "normal" by Ford. "#1 selling truck", "amazing powertrain" lmao

It seems that nowadays, one can never judge a product by anything outside of its very own [de]merits. Gladiator is still stuck with the reliability of a Jeep product, and Ranger was ruined the moment the 10R80 touched it. Every issue that the 10R80 has, applies equally to the F-150, Ranger and Expy/Navi.

Literally. You aren't buying a Dodge, you're buying a Cummins. Most of the 2nd gens have lost half their (already worthless) bodies to rust, yet people still pay good money for the 24V or (best of all) 12V under the hood. And not even said 12V can save the rest of the truck from breaking down.

Tundra might not win any awards for payload, towing, interior, MPG, or power but it's familiar, comfy and reliable. In light of the current Taco and the inevitable next generations of 4Runner and Tundra, the current Tundra might very well be the last truck you can trust.

 

1st gen Tacoma vs. 3rd gen Tacoma are worlds apart, IMO.

No true manual trans, but I do believe they have a tiptronic transmission, which is pretty cool. My 4Runner has one, and I like it.

 

Very poor crash test results.

 

You look at a two generation gap in any vehicle and you’re gonna be safe with that statement.

The 3.5L is fine, it’s just everyone complaining about a midsize truck delivering midsize power, or the prior generation owners having nostalgia about power that simply isn’t that much different, if at all. I like all of the generations, I just own a third gen because I didn’t see the point in buying used for early the same price as new with less tech.

This thread isn’t about any of that anyways. Y’all off topic as hell haha.

The only hesitation I’d have with the next Tundra is if it’s DIT only. No details yet, but carbon buildup is a real problem in those engines and no mixture of fuel octane, fuel quality, or premium oils will reliably prevent or predict the issue. Every manufacturer is using it these days, and I’m not completely sold on third gens having multi port to clean the valves off yet either, even if it’s not forced induction.

 

The tundra is an suv with a bed (quite literally actually)
It makes a great family vehicle

 

This is my plan in a few years

 

Correct. Not sure why people tried telling him to get a shitty quality work truck when he clearly asked about 2 high quality vehicles that had nothing to do with shitty work trucks

 

Toyota likes their D-4S, chances are they'll use it like they do on the G3 Taco. The alternative to Ford and Toyota dual injection is a PCV with integrated oil/water separator (aka catch can) like the '17-present Collie and Canyon. Both eliminate the carbon problem.

Can't that be said for every other half ton right now? Ford makes the only RCSB, and only GM, Ford and Nissan still make a RCLB although GM's isn't even worth mentioning being limited to the lowest possible trim Silverado. At least Toyota still makes an ECLB for the Tundra.

 

I'm talking more about owner pride and loyalty. Some of that is likely nostalgia, but IMO it also has to do with the timing of when Toyota decided to overtake GM as the world's largest manufacturer, which is about when the 2nd gens came out... Quantity over quality.

I definitely have a bit of nostalgia for the "good old days" when the 'off-road' package was simple and sweet: a locker and upgraded suspension. Now it seems like they focus on a-typical colors and badging. While still having the upgraded suspension and locker, they seem to charge you a LOT more for the status of having a TRD Pro. The 2019 equivalent of my top of the line 2004 4x4 doublecab TRD is $30k. You could almost buy 2 of my trucks (at the inflation adjusted price) for the price of a Pro, lol.

 

Except paying the same price of a 3/4 ton and getting the same mileage as a 3/4 ton sweet dude

 

Gonna disagree hard that a catch can solves that problem having run two DI motors and researched it heavily. It may help, but it’s a far cry from a solution.

 

best friend has 17 or 18 tss tundra... to quote samueal jackson " its the one that says bad mother f_ _ ker." got the longer bed model in silver with blacked out windows and rims. got nitto ridge grapplers put on today. plenty of HP, he loves f'ing with mustangs. tundra FTW!!!

 

Not many people are familiar with the current LGZ V6 but it utilizes an interesting plastic separator that sits entirely in the valley of the block, not quite a "catch can" per se. The '15-16 LFX were typical DI motors in the carbon department but the LGZ is problem free, so us owners came to the conclusion that the contraption worked. Obviously, the twins have other problems to deal with.

Not a problem for Toyota since they have it covered with dual injection anyways. I'd be surprised if it's omitted from the next Tundra.

 

I still don't even understand how that's applicable to what this thread is about or what OP was asking?
3/4 ton shit quality is still shit quality man. I have no idea how someone brings the self to pay the price of those new Cummins or Ferds. Maybe if you HAVE TO TOW HEAVY, I can see that because you picked it because of no other option. But if you're not towing and you intentionally pick those shit boxes....

 

Same company that sold third gen trucks with halogen projectors knowing damn well they could have put HID ones in for negligible cost difference to them, lack of a bed rail, updated stereos (not relative to prior years), etc.?

Heh. Let’s hope

 

Okay, the 3UR's mileage might be a meme for halftons but that's quite the exaggeration. A Silverado with the L96 and 3.73 gears might catch up to the Tundra in mileage but 1-digit city MPG is still very real for the Boss and Hemi. To get the same level of comfort in those 3/4 tons, you won't be paying the same price.

And obviously, diesel is not a valid comparison.

 

Op was askin tacoma or tundra
I said tacoma because the argument for tundra is not there. the tundra I’m sure is a great truck, but at 12mpg and it’s loading capabilities renders it N/A unless you just want to “one-up” tacoma owners with your hot, new, bigger and badder tundra

My argument being if you’re gonna spend lots of money on a truck, and get the mpg of a truck, then buy a real godam truck!!

my 04 cummins 2500 is solid af the Trd Pro Tundra sounds like marketing fluff