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Terrible Weekend

Discussion in 'Personal & Emotional Support' started by Toy4Life, Aug 4, 2008.

  1. Aug 5, 2008 at 6:38 PM
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    is that an Australian Sheep dog?
     
  2. Aug 5, 2008 at 6:40 PM
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    Toy4Life [OP] 668: The Neighbor of the Beast

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    yeah, mixed with Blue Heeler, a.k.a Australian Cattle Dog.
     
  3. Aug 5, 2008 at 6:41 PM
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    that's exactly what I would have guessed. Those dogs are great. I worked at a bicycle shop for a while and we had a shop puppy that was that same mix.
     
  4. Aug 5, 2008 at 6:44 PM
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    I'll miss him. He is the smartest and coolest dog I've ever had.
     
  5. Aug 5, 2008 at 6:50 PM
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    Glad things are working out and Carter will have a good home.
     
  6. Aug 5, 2008 at 7:36 PM
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    Sorry, even before I had a kid. There is no way in hell I would spend 4k on a pet. I love animals, don't get me wrong. But they don't live long enough to spend that kind of $$$$ on them. You would still be making payments well after they were dead. The vet tells me it will be 4k to save Fluffy! How much is euthanasia? $200, Well it was nice knowing you Fluffy!

    Vet bill? 4k
    Euthanasia? $200
    Fluffy 2? Priceless
     
  7. Aug 5, 2008 at 7:49 PM
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    It all depends on how much you make. I spent it before and I'll spend it again. Sammy and Roly have another 8+ years to live.
     
  8. Aug 5, 2008 at 7:51 PM
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    Hey Chad,

    Dogs bite for many reasons and usually for a good reason. Something happened that you are not aware of. The smallest and the cutest dog can attack if feels pain. Example: A bee sting. Would you put down a dog that went on a rampage because he was stung by a bee? In most cases you would never know it was a bee sting that caused the attack. So, do what works best for you and what you can live with guilt free. Let me take this opportunity to share some of my experience with you.

    If your dog bit once, there's a good chance it will repeat until you teach it a painful lesson. My youngest Doberman had issues with my 7 year old son and would snap at him since he played rough with the dog and my daughter whom the dog loved unconditionally would protect without question. This Dobe (Ammo) has bitten my son a couple of time but he never drew blood. So I called the breeder who suggest that I beat the sh!t out of the dog the next time he snaps at my son. It has to be done immediately after an attack. One day, I was asleep after an 18 hour shift and I heard my dog snap and to be followed by my son's cry. I was startled awake and came rushing downstairs to teach the dog a lesson just like the breeder had asked me to. Now, I'm dealing with a 3 year old 100+ pound Dobe that stands up to a height of 6 feet. Four pieces of half inch metal conduit pipes catch me eye in the kitchen which I grabbed and went into the dining room and hit the dog with the conduit repeatedly. To my surprise, this dog had no pain threshold. He started coming at me while taking a beating and I had to keep hitting him. That was the last time that Ammo had threatened anybody in my family. We never even thought of putting the dog down or giving him away. He was family. Period. Also, it teaches kids this is how parents solve problems. Also, you never know what emotional bonds your kids have with the dog. It can have unrepairable repercussions in how you deal with this.

    Anyway, my wife said our 3 Dobe's were too much to handle, especially Ammo who was very domineering and mischievous (All dogs were not neutered). So, I decided to crate him most of the time and was allowed to play with the children if muzzled till I came home and the muzzle came off when I supervised Ammo with the kids. The other Dobe's were very civilised. Ammo died after suffering a brain lesion followed by violent seizures and sever memory loss. Doctors told us to put the dog down since he did not recognize family members after a seizure and hence could cause serious damage if he decided to attack due to the nature of the breed. But it was a decision I could not make. Then the dog died of a hear attack at 7 and we kind of hid it from the kids telling them he was in hospital and then finally broke the news. My daughter had to be treated for depression many years later as a result of the sudden disappearance of Ammo. They loved each other so much. I'm confident he would die protecting her however there was some irritation and competition with my son.

    Before you take any serious action, try muzzling Carter when unsupervised. Have him neutered or introduce him to the Missileman thread. Your wife will come around over time. Its easy for others to suggest you put him down or to give him a way. This is so personal only you will understand the hurt and guilt you'd have to live with, almost forever. Carter probably doesn't know what he's done by now or what's going on. So, I suggest you muzzle him and give him another chance. Your son would continue to mature and so will your dog and soon it will only be a memory.

    Give that son of a bitch a second chance. ;)
     
  9. Aug 5, 2008 at 8:00 PM
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    Are you making fun of my signature banner?
     
  10. Aug 5, 2008 at 8:14 PM
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    I never saw your signature when I mentioned Fluffy. It was just a generic name for a pet.

    But I do like your signature now that I see it!
     
  11. Aug 5, 2008 at 8:33 PM
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    Obviously, I think you made the right decision. You'll miss Carter, but you won't have to worry about the safety of your family. It sounds like Carter is going to be in the perfect home for his breed, too.
     
  12. Aug 5, 2008 at 8:49 PM
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    I thought I was finished with this thread until I read one of the last posts...

    Thank GOD I'm not a member of your family.

    Are you serious? You want your kids to see that when daddy sees a problem daddy beats the sh** out of it with metal conduit pipes?!?!?

    Watching daddy beat the living sh** out of their beloved pet won't cause 'unrepairable repercussions' later?

    I can't tell if you're being serious or not.
     
  13. Aug 5, 2008 at 9:01 PM
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    lmao!!!!
     
  14. Aug 5, 2008 at 10:18 PM
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    Get your dog neutered or breed him but don't just have a sexually frustrated dog near your kids. Those blue healers are kinda agro dogs the can get really high strung when they don't get enough stimulation. the new dog could really have made him insecure of his standing. Kids are cruel and get a kick out of pulling and pinching shit. we are all guilty of these kinds of things at that age. So that leaves a big blank in the picture. I agree that the dog bit but didn't maul your son. I think placing him on a farm would be a win win situation. I am glad you are giving him a second chance by placing him. I am sure this has been painful on many levels. I agree with making sure there is no confusion who is in charge. I have complete control of my dogs.
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  15. Aug 6, 2008 at 3:19 AM
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    Just following the registered dog owners orders, who is a breeder of a Championship line of Dobes for over 35 years. He is also a trainer of Dobe's. I'm no expert on how to handle guard dogs. So, I follow directions.
     
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    When I adopted my Akita the lady that works next door (who owns 2 akitas) told me nothing short of a baseball bat would hurt them. So nothing I could dish out with a hand or first would have much of an effect pain-wise. Much better to hurt the dog's feelings by smacking and scolding, ignoring, depriving of attention for while, etc. But she also said I needed to beat the crap out of her if she got out of line. Seemed extreme to me after having cats where the same thing would kill them and send them flying across the room. But then the lady we adopted her from said Akita's could probably take pitbulls in fights. :eek: Between that, and my wife's research saying Akita's were bred to hunt bear I started getting an idea of what we adopted and how stubborn, strong, and pain tollerant she could be. I haven't had to do it yet, but should the need arise I know it's going to take some serious strength to knock her down.
     
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    Doberman's are tuff ass dogs and not easy to dominate. And people who think its wrong to beat the piss out of them (if and when necessary<not in front of kids;)>) should not own dogs like dobe's, pit's or Akita's. That guy who ripped your post apart would do better with a lhasa or some other little lap dog. When you own these powerful breeds you have to be in control of them. Its not an option. My female dobe almost a 100 pounds could easily overpower and kill a full grown man so its pretty important as owners that we do all the things necessary to prevent that from happening.
     
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    I have a lab mix, thanks for the advice.

    I do my best not to invite animals that can "easily overpower and kill a full grown man" into my home. Maybe that makes me a sissy... maybe it helps me sleep at night because I don't have to wonder if my pet will kill me the next day. To each his own, I guess.

    My biggest problem with the post is one that I think you share... beating the dog in front of the kids. 'Teaching the kids how daddy deals with problems' doesn't sound like a good answer to the question, "Why are you beating the crap out of your pet?"
     
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    I have mixed feelings about this... I can see the problem with it maybe traumatizing the child or making them think it's ok to beat animals without knowing the reason behind it....

    On the other hand, too many parents these days don't discipline their kids so they turn out to be spoiled fucking brats. Crying, screaming, and whining at Wal-Mart or whatever until mommy/daddy buys them what they want. I'm sure you all see those kids. They throw fits, swear, and just generally act like a parent has never laid a hand on them. Those kids need a good old fashioned ass whoopin. I hate to think about the state of the country when those people are my age.

    Mine don't do that. They know they'll get beat once we get back to the truck if they ever acted like that. :D It's not from me beating the dog in front of them, but I'm not afraid to spank them or smack 'em upside the head for acting up. And I don't have to do that to all of them. Smack the one I see doing something, and the other straightens up so she doesn't get smacked too. Same thing happens if they see you smack the dog for being bad. Instills that fear of "daddy might hit be for being bad...." until just a glare or dirty look will make them act right.

    A powerful dog with big teeth and claws has to be beaten down when attacking too. I mean, it's a pack animal that normally would have to loose a fight with the Alpha to take a submissive role. Unfortunately, for you to be the Alpha that means handing out an ass whooping. Especially if the dog is stubborn and really wants to be Alpha. It's not like you can bite his neck and pin him down. :laugh: Pinching the nose usually helps, but you need to avoid the snapping teeth.

    I think maybe the kids seeing how the dog could act would make them more careful. My 7yr old knows our orange cat is grumpy and has big claws. She doesn't mess with him. :D Our siamese is antisocial, spastic, and has sharp claws. She doesn't mess with her either. :D She only plays with the white/black/gray siamese-mix that's friendly and lets my daughter pick her up.

    So kids learn. Loud barking, big teeth, sharp claws = leave alone. Small, soft, cute, fuzzy and friendly = drag around the house like a doll.

    Best to see the animal at it's worst in a semi-controlled situation with an adult rather than with a kid when the dog flips out after the kid did something stupid.
     
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    You make me laugh. You are involved in a conversation about powerful dogs and dare to critique members who have experiences with such dogs when you have never owned a dog that can take apart a fully grown person like Lego blocks. These guard dogs are not the average dogs you rescue from shelters for about $20. These are working dogs that people used to pay US$5,000 to $7,000 for, about 10 years ago. People pay that kind of $$$ for a reason and I have the nerves to deal with violent situations as needed. It does not seem to matter what message I send to my children, but at that moment of time there was a life safety issue that required immediate attention and that was to teach my dog who is boss as recommended by a veteran guard dog trainer and not an everyday know it all, dog whisperer. Children see more violence on TV today and have the mental capacity to comprehend why such action was necessary because the dog crossed the line.

    So in your own words, it’s alright to kill your dog for snapping at your kid but it’s wrong to beat a dog (for the same reason) in a life threatening situation, especially intended for training purposes thereby actually letting the dog live as originally intended. It’s evident you sure have your priorities mixed when it comes to killing and let-live.

    I amazes me as to where you derive the power to sentence dogs to death at will because one snapped for a reason you would never understand and how it is wrong for me to train my dog to live in harmony with my family.
     

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