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Tesla Model X Tows Better Than Toyota Tacoma?

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by Username:, Jul 19, 2016.

  1. Jul 19, 2016 at 7:58 AM
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    TPDTaco

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    Either that or they would be like that's cool well we will just take our part now. You don't need those bolts and nuts right? Ok you do? Perfect I think that's what we will take. Have a nice day. You know what times are tough for the government so we are going to need those new bushings as well.
     
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  2. Jul 19, 2016 at 8:00 AM
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    this should tell you how much knowledge the writer has
     
  3. Jul 19, 2016 at 8:01 AM
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  4. Jul 19, 2016 at 8:03 AM
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  5. Jul 19, 2016 at 8:12 AM
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    Also, define better. An electric motor makes it's best torque at zero rpms. So once past, what, 10 mph it's done?
     
  6. Jul 19, 2016 at 8:13 AM
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    Read this too...Guy has more towing capacity than a Tesla!

    [​IMG]
     
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    They'll pass anything except a recharge plug? right...... My wife works for the fire department - their HAZ MAT guy is going nuts trying to keep everyone "current" with the methods to approach wrecked electric vehicles. They have an interesting video where the initial frames show a mashed little bug car arcing like a Lincoln pipeliner - surrounded by fellows in turnout coats, helmets and gas masks - watching. Worse yet - it says there are no Fed standards about where you find the shut-off - all of the dumb little electric cars are different.
     
  8. Jul 19, 2016 at 8:55 AM
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    Since torque is defined as the force required to move an object around an axis...it will produce exactly zero pounds feet of torque at zero RPM.
    Next lesson: water is wet.
     
  9. Jul 19, 2016 at 9:09 AM
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    The day they offer an electric truck with a manual gearbox and a range of 800-1000 Kms and lastly a re-charge time of under an hour. Then I'm in LOL
     
  10. Jul 19, 2016 at 9:23 AM
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    Electric motors put out pretty much full torque over their full RPM range. The ratios in the transmission on the Tesla would be the determining factor for most of its towing performance at speed, and the chassis strength would factor heavily into how much it could pull.

    In theory, and electric drive train is great for hauling big loads, which is why modern freight trains are driven by diesel-electric locomotives (diesel engines driving generators which power electric drive motors to the wheels).
     
  11. Jul 19, 2016 at 10:40 AM
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    You are incorrect. Torque does not require movement. Just a force acting in a line-of-action that does not intersect the reaction-point.

    I like putting engineering principles into an easy-to-digest format, let me know if this works in this context for you (or not): If torque required movement, then you could never measure torque while seating a fastener/nut.

    If that doesn't work for you, just look up some electrical motor specs. I'd net most of them define a characteristic known as stall torque. Stall torque is the torque produced when stalled, or not rotating.


    Fwiw: The phrase you used to define torque doesn't have a name, because it is flawed in definition. A single force (with no reaction) will not simply rotate an object around a single axis. It may create a torque which causes rotation (about the neutral axis), but it will also create linear movement. :)
     
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  12. Jul 19, 2016 at 10:53 AM
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    Exactly. More simply put, torque = force x distance (of the lever arm), nothing about movement or displacement.
     
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    When a bolt is tightened the torque value is measured by the amount of radial distortion the bolt experiences. No matter how small the amount of movement is...it's still movement.

    Stall torque is a further expression of the same principal. It references output rotation. In this instance even there is no rotation the force exerted on the armature shaft exists. If the motor is in a bind or does not have enough power to move the load it still tries to rotate. Ever seen a tailshaft twisted off an electric motor that was trying to turn a seized shaft?
     
  14. Jul 20, 2016 at 6:31 AM
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    Once again, torque is basic physics. Force times the length of a lever arm, nothing in the formula about movement. Therefore, it exists without movement. You can argue against this all you want, but you'll just continue to be wrong.
     
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