1. Welcome to Tacoma World!

    You are currently viewing as a guest! To get full-access, you need to register for a FREE account.

    As a registered member, you’ll be able to:
    • Participate in all Tacoma discussion topics
    • Communicate privately with other Tacoma owners from around the world
    • Post your own photos in our Members Gallery
    • Access all special features of the site

The $1200 fuse - Lessons Learned

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by artieTwelve, Aug 12, 2023.

  1. Aug 13, 2023 at 5:50 PM
    #21
    Clearwater Bill

    Clearwater Bill Never answer an anonymous letter

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2014
    Member:
    #140097
    Messages:
    24,612
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Billy
    Largo Florida
    Vehicle:
    '13 5 lug AC w/convenience package
    A few OE parts from fancy trucks
    What's interesting is I learned about that on a '88 Aerostar I had. It didn't lock for the same reason of course, but it does mean that escape hatch has existed a long time.

    I also seem to recall reading about that in the owners manual. Not being critical here, just pointing out that I think it's in there.
     
  2. Aug 13, 2023 at 8:43 PM
    #22
    Puppypunter

    Puppypunter Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2020
    Member:
    #315086
    Messages:
    2,708
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Johnny
    Vehicle:
    2019 Black SR
    First option for me is to make a tee, and leave the factory wiring alone, if possible. But, if that isn't an option, I would recommend Posi-Taps.
    Posi-Tap- No Crimp Tap (posi-products.com)
    They are available at Amazon and Crutchfield for sure. The reason I like these as opposed to regular T-taps is that T-taps work by slicing the insulation to make contact with the sides of the wire. Not a terrible thing in the right circumstances, but since they are designed for multiple gauges, that means the usually cut deeper in larger gauge wires, and usually through the insulation and cut a few conductors as well. Then the real issue comes later as they conductors start to oxidize and get further weakened from vibration and the usual wear and tear. Positaps pierce the center of the wire, so one hole in the insulation, and it puts the same hole regardless of gauge (positaps do come in different sizes, but the hole is the same within the range they are made for) that hole is better protected from the elements (not perfect, but much better) and you don't have cut conductors on top of it. That makes for a more secure, more durable connection. Hope that helps!
     
  3. Aug 14, 2023 at 8:05 AM
    #23
    Malvolio

    Malvolio free zip ties for Stun

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2018
    Member:
    #260236
    Messages:
    3,239
    SoCal Dumbgeon
    Vehicle:
    2017 DCSB SR5 2WD
    I like keys too; that blown fuse will still immobilize an automatic transmission as it will not let you fully engage the brake and shift out of park.

    The wires on the third twilight of my camper shell wiggled out and shorted the braking system fuse a few months ago. I couldn’t move anything because I could not depress the braking system to unlock the shifter from park. It took me an hour or two of troubleshooting to figure it out, and I had to go to the store for more fuses since there’s only one of the appropriate type in the OEM fuse panel cache. PSA: carry extra fuses.
     
  4. Aug 14, 2023 at 8:22 AM
    #24
    daveeasa

    daveeasa FBC Harness Solutions

    Joined:
    May 14, 2020
    Member:
    #328079
    Messages:
    7,471
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    David
    PNW
    Vehicle:
    2016 Tacoma OR DCSB 6MT, 2005 RC 5MT PreRunner, 2002 Tundra SR5 RCLB 4x4
    OP, for posting this I’ll send you a brake T for your GFC, no charge. Just DM me an address for someone willing to receive it for you.
     
  5. Aug 14, 2023 at 11:08 AM
    #25
    jdmfreak1992

    jdmfreak1992 Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2016
    Member:
    #193994
    Messages:
    161
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Taylor
    Vehicle:
    2017 Tacoma TRD Off-Road
    Stock for now
    No, they charged him $570 to find out why the fuse blew and what caused it vs just cramming another one in it and sending him on his way. Takes time to diag circuit shorts.
     
    Rusty66 and joeyv141 like this.
  6. Aug 14, 2023 at 1:17 PM
    #26
    daveeasa

    daveeasa FBC Harness Solutions

    Joined:
    May 14, 2020
    Member:
    #328079
    Messages:
    7,471
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    David
    PNW
    Vehicle:
    2016 Tacoma OR DCSB 6MT, 2005 RC 5MT PreRunner, 2002 Tundra SR5 RCLB 4x4
    OK, that's a reasonable point of view, however, my local dealer did not charge anything close to that for similar airbag light review on my '02 Tundra. They quickly zero'd in on the scangauge I was using as a root cause, disconnected it, and re-tested. Now, was that perfect? No, the root cause appeared to be a faulty passenger airbag which they diagnosed on the 2nd trip, I think the scangauge pinched cable was only causing the VSC failures which I reported together with the SRS since they showed up at the same time. And that dealer, by acting prudently, has earned my trust. I mention it as evidence that a good dealership really _should_ rule out any aftermarket device trouble _before_ proceeding to diagnose potential problems with OEM components.

    To any qualified dealer tech, it should be fairly obvious if not a written down first step to look for aux load on a shorted light circuit before proceeding to diagnose potential trouble with the truck itself, particularly a vehicle so new. Remove taillights and inspect or replace the bulbs and review the shell chmsl feed at that time, or trace back the shell chsml to it's source if it's not wired to a taillight (spoiler, 99% steal from a taillight since it's the easiest spot to get a clean brake signal). Provided it was clear the the blown fuse was causing the symptoms experienced, it's not clear to me that the dealer knew that up front. I get the feeling that OP would have done this type of review if he knew that the STOP fuse was blown, that was the piece of info which would determine the proper troubleshooting steps.

    More to the point, someone at that dealership really should have done a little hindsight review of this at payment time and bounced it to the service manager. I think splitting the cost or eating 75% of it would be entirely reasonable, this was not top notch service and would not qualify this dealership as one I'd return to. This wasn't the first time a shell 3rd brake light caused trouble and it won't be the last.

    OP, next time, post up the symptoms the night you get to a hotel and see if the TW community can't save you that dealer trip. Hopefully, though, there isn't a next time for you.
     
    soundman98, RustyGreen and Williston like this.
  7. Aug 14, 2023 at 5:22 PM
    #27
    Volt

    Volt Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2010
    Member:
    #41770
    Messages:
    671
    Gender:
    Male
    Overland Park, Kansas
    Vehicle:
    2022 SR5 4x4 Double Cab V6
    My fourth red Tacoma
    Thanks for posting this. I have my camper shell wired in a similar way. You have reminded me to get back in there and wire it better.
     
    Malvolio likes this.
  8. Aug 14, 2023 at 7:01 PM
    #28
    artieTwelve

    artieTwelve [OP] Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2019
    Member:
    #302012
    Messages:
    124
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Lance
    Baltimore
    Vehicle:
    2019 Quicksand TRD Off Road
    Yeah, that might have saved me the dealership costs. To be honest, all I was thinking about at that point was getting out of Stockton as fast as possible so I could mitigate hotel costs. But I'm on the road a lot. There will always be a next time.
     
    Last edited: Aug 15, 2023
  9. Apr 9, 2024 at 8:32 PM
    #29
    503Tim

    503Tim New Member

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2024
    Member:
    #447620
    Messages:
    1
    Gender:
    Male
    First Name:
    Tim
    Vehicle:
    2019 Taco DC SB 6MT
    All the things.
    Sooooooo glad I found this thread. Going on two weeks fiddling with this after and 800 mile track over the Siskiyou. Luckily didn’t have the loss of power and starting issues and I’m a manual so no issues there. Just no brake lights and a damn Xmas tree on my dash. There is a billion threads about this and none more detailed but also simple as this. After pulling my hair out (not really, I’m bald) and trying all the other dumb$hit I’ve read I found this thread and revisited the 3rd brake light wiring for my Super Pacific. That just happens to have a trick little factory plug jump harness………. That clearly is broken somehow. Simply removed it and plugged my oe tail bulb back in and VIOLA. Problems all solved.


    Thank you. Seriously.
     
    TacoManOne and mquibble like this.

Products Discussed in

To Top