The 2.7L Single Cab Thread

You are absolutely right!

Look at the Ultra 4 races. Though some teams are coming up with IFS rigs, most teams still run solid axles. They just withstand punishment that much more.

Solid axles, if built right with a link suspension and fancy coilovers, can pull off the high speed stuff pretty decent - plus the obvious advantages on rock crawling. It really provides a good compromise between the two types of wheeling.

BTW...the Ultra 4 righs that have IFS long travel are custom built with 1 ton parts anyway.

 

Got her fully armored up!

 

The rockbouncers and ultra 4 cars that are IFS use military suspension or completely custom built arms. And they do it just to try it. People are trying to find a way to make IFS withstand the abuse and I'm sure someone will find the magical answer one day. But for now, solid axle is the simple and reliable answer for a rock crawler.

Tim Cameron is a famous rock bouncer.
Even he built a badass IFS bouncer one time just to try it but it couldn't hold up so he went back to solid axle.

 

It's been pretty creepy crawly capable with stock ifs. Now I'm getting more clearance and more flex. I'm not the most extreme crawler by any means but I can do 90% of what we come across and the other 10% there is a bypass

 

https://youtu.be/36dVm7I8ZMA
Independent suspension still crawls

 

I'm not looking to be the best at ripping or crawling I just want to be able to do a little of both and have fun. I've been following my buddies around the desert for almost a year and a half now to include a solid axle fjz80 locked front and back an 85 pickup with sas and dual t case of coarse locked front and back and the other side of the spectrum is my buddies 1st gen tundra on 5100 with svt shocks in the back. Other than one other dude in a 4 runner I'm the only one running open diff. There has been a handful of spots where I can't do what they can same with the guy in the runner. I would venture to say that with 4link and long travel and lockers I should be able to keep up with both ends of the spectrum that much more.
Btw not getting defensive just like good debates. Love hearing what you guys have to say good info.

 

Sorry didn't see the previous couple post

 

Ifs yes, crawling meh?

 

You're comparing a completely stupidly over built IFS system built just so the guy can go "I told y'all I could do it" to a off the shelf kit from total chaose ? Cmon man. Hard to have a legit debate with this kind of conversation lol

 

That was purely to show that solid axle isn't always king of crawl and I'm not saying tc kit is on that level but an sas on your average taco is not on the same level as a full blown rock bouncer. Independent suspension tech has come a long way in the last two decades and should not be discounted. Sas is a solid option (pun intended) but it is also old tech and has some limiting factors. Ifs isn't without its downfalls either. Any truck that's long traveled or sas is cool in my book. The total chaos kit is stout, call them up and talk to Nichole. Ask her about the truck that stuffed one side into a concrete barrier at 90 and only bent a uca. Come down to Tucson and come wheeling (be a bit for me gotta install all my new parts and I'm still waiting on my rear axle) we would love to wheel with any Toyota and there is always a cold beer in the cooler for you. Then we can supplement our debate with experimentation and find out the truth. That being said my buddy with the sas pickup has dual t case and way more ground clearance and can articulate like a cat so he will always out crawl me if I can pick an easier line and not take the bypass I'm happy.

 

Really not a realistic comparison as @weldertaco mentioned.

And you are arguing about a modification that your truck doesn't even have yet

Your buddy with the SAS pickup and duals will always out crawl you - not because of the solid axle - but because he has ultra deep gearing at the tcase which is a MUST in rock crawling. In fact, it is the most important piece of the puzzle.

Even if you have the best LT set up ever; when you go rock crawling you will be at a loss without having deep gears at the tcase.

BTW...I've seen guys that went LT and then regretted it or ended up doing a SAS down the road because they wanted to do more rock crawling. If you a more inclined towards crawling..i would seriously rethink the LT idea - or at least invest in dual cases or Atlas.

 

See that's the deal. I've said from my first comment that you CAN build a IFS buggy for crawling. I never said you couldn't and never said it wouldn't work. I've seen IFS buggy and have seen IFS work.

But that doesn't change the fact that there's more weak points with it, than requires a lot more custom work and fabrication to build, it cost more to build, and usually you still won't get as much flex as a properly set up SAS. Not to mention that without IFS you have to go super wide to get a ton of travel too.

I'm all for "hold my beer and watch this" builds don't me wrong. If I had a shit ton of money laying around and wanted to build a 10"+ over LT setup just to show solid axle guys that IFS can still work, I'd do it too. But I'd do it knowingly that I'm still gonna end up going solid axle one day.


Nobody is downing on you for liking LT or using it.

If your truck has LT and you crawl it the way you enjoy and you love the truck... then that's all that matters man! Some of us have different wheeling habits and like to do different levels of difficulty. Your crawling may be a walk to the mailbox compared to what I think crawling is or you may go hard. LT may work for you but you may come where i wheel and go "fuck I need a solid axle" or vice versa.

Either are cool man. /debate lol

 

I want to play!


Build: https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/trbomx6gts-06-regular-cab-build.498987/

 

except a lot cheaper than a rzr lol!

 

Friendly debate

 

Not installed but

 

Haven't even had it for 24 hrs and I'm already having fun.

 

That's a gorgeous Spot makes me wanna toss a line and crack a cold one

 

Really love how it's starting to look