The Frontier is trying to catch up.

Some DI systems are better than others, but most are prone to fouling. I'm not familiar with Mazda's so I'll take your word for it.

 

I think its neat that they kept the NA V6. But sheesh they are totally coping toyotas homework on the paint color

 

The new Frontiers are nothing like your 2019 trucks. That style was around for like 20 years, and in desperate need of a change. The new truck is totally different inside and out. They did run the V6 and transmission in the last year of the old body style I think 2021???

 

Couldn't agree more the steering is not at all heavy. It does have a different feel, but not like you are getting an arm pump driving like everyone makes it sound.

 

Their trucks never had all the transmission problems. That was in their small cars.

 

The new frontier is far more similar to the older frontier than it is different. The suspension and frame are almost identical. Besides the drivetrain, the new gen is basically sheet metal, creature comforts/interior design and tech. They ran the newer drivetrain in the 2020 and 2021, which were made about 6 months each for a total of about 1 model year.

Ultimately the 2G to 3G Frontier makeover is about as much “all new” as the 2G to 3G Tacoma makeover was in 2016. It is still built off of the same very old bones than the previous gen was and uses a ton of the same or very similar parts.

 

thats true hopefully you dont have any issues! from what ive heard from others they finally fixed the issues that plagued the 5th gen trans! which of course happens after ford wouldnt help with mine and i got rid of it lol.

that is odd the R button stopped working or a cluster went out? wonder what the reason for that is. the door seal one is an odd one for sure!

 

Thanks for the clarification. I remember the car issues but wasn't sure when/if the trucks got it.

I had a 2019 DCSB as a rental 3 yrs ago for about 2 months. Was pretty basic but that's what I would buy anyway. I'd consider it if in the market, though not that configuration..more truck than I would need or use.

 

I used to own a 2016 GTI with the VAG 2.0T.... At 44k miles they'd be completely clogged up far worse than this.
It was a reason I got rid of my GTI, frustrating to know that in other markets the VAG 2.0T had dual injection just like Toyota D4S, which totally eliminated carbon buildup.

My wife's Corolla hatchback has D4S, and for sure that is reassuring to us for the long term. It didn't help that the electric water pump failed at 18k miles, though. Leaving her stuck in a parking lot.

I also owned an older Titan for 14 years that had port injection, so I wasn't exactly happy about DI in my new Titan, but I have a catch can that extracts a lot of oil from the intake. If that's what a 44k Titan DI looks like, I'm not concerned about it. That's very minor in the struggle of DI technology.
I mean, when I went new truck shopping, every new truck I looked at has issues. And the Tundra is absolutely no better than any other truck (well, not the new turbo Tundra). I think most people here have a list of issues they've heard about with every truck.
When I bought my Titan I immediately installed a catch can on it. But, at least I don't have to deal with wind noise, breaking interior plastics, volume knob falling off of a radio that can't be upgraded, or a sudden engine seizure. Or, even the prospect now of all Tundra engines are due for replacement. I'll take a walnut blasting at 80k over the other issues new trucks have.

With that said, I will honestly say I'd prefer if Nissan did have dual injection. That really is the best way to go.

 

An old style in need of a change is preferable from a reliability standpoint.

 

You are basically saying the entire truck is different, frame, suspension, engine, trans, body panels, tech, and interior. They did run the new V6 in the old body style like you said. The new Frontier is light years ahead of the 2019 you had. Yes I have owned both.

 

Yea the older version was pretty basic, the news ones are a huge improvement.

 

The suspension design is basically the same, as is the frame. The "platform" was essentially the same. Brakes are the same other than the 2020+ using the same Advics hydraulic booster that the OR and Pro Tacomas use. Basically the same tow hitch and wiring. Same rear axle and front diff although the front diff changed spline count on the CVs. The engine compartment layout was the same for 2022 and early 2023 until they switched to the auto stop start on mid 2023 and later. Reused the third brake lamp, almost identical roof console box. Nissan calling it "all new" was a marketing scheme and was not accurate at all, but they sure priced it like it was all new.

Seriously, just like the 3G Tacoma, it was almost all the same dimensions and design down underneath. It got a new drivetrain, modern tech features, updated appearance and interior. Nissan called it "all new," priced it as such, and that is what I take issue with. It is not all-new; they reused everything they could possibly reuse while still selling it as a pretend all-new design.

When you think about it, it's pretty obvious how similar 2005-2019 and 2022+ are underneath. The fact that they put the 3.8L in the old gen for only 2 years is proof enough of that. They made some tweaks to get it in place with new hoses, piping, wiring, etc to make it work. Then it was practically ready for the new 2022 which was basically the same chassis and body shape. They had to make almost no adaptations to get it from 2021 to 2022. If the 2022+ was truly a brand new truck, they would have never put the 3.8L in the old gen for only 2 model years; it wouldn't have been worth the effort to do so.

It was light years ahead if you wanted features and a new drivetrain, because the old gen had few features and an ancient drivetrain. It was not light years ahead in terms of how much effort Nissan had to put into it to build it.

 

Kind of like the 400Z - They just put a body kit on the 370Z and called it all new. Didn't hardly even change the interior.

 

I prefer a vehicle as basic as possible, in part b/c I've owned so many older vehicles around 10-12 yrs of age..around the time such gadgets can start to break

 

No such vehicle as "400Z" exists, unless it is a Z with a 4.0L swap.

Anyways, I'd be surprised if Nissan is around in 10 years.

I may get rid of mine for a Tacoma in 2-3 years, as I am legitimately concerned about parts support.... even if Nissan doesn't fail. They're horrible with providing parts for vehicles that aren't very old.

As much as I like my Nissan trucks, I'm not going to keep it if I can't get OEM parts any longer.
We had a Saab years ago... Saab went away, and so did the dealerships and parts.... Got rid of it because I didn't feel like going on a hunt for random spare parts

 

My bad its just a Z now, but still. I like Nissan, but I do wish they'd learn to do better.

I was really excited to see that Z come out and then it was just blah.