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The Getaway...Crom's build and adventures

Discussion in '2nd Gen. Builds (2005-2015)' started by Crom, Feb 11, 2015.

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  1. Oct 20, 2016 at 9:32 AM
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    Crom

    Crom [OP] 2/3 way thru. I'll be back OCT 23, 2021

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    Thanks.

    I made a video of my CSB and posted in in this post. I don't remember checking for side to side movement, just vertically. My DS shop expert called it "sag" he said the CSB would sag over time, just a characteristic of the crappy rubber components (my words not his).

    One thing is for sure and that is with a two piece drive shaft, the pinion angle should match the slope of the first shaft. That is very important to mitigate unwanted vibes.

    I previously measured my angles and calculated u-joint operating angles in this post here: Drive line angles measured.

    I also thought back then that slightly negative pinion angle is good. It's really only good if your a race car, or use in very high torque applications @nfs257 ? :D. I shared all that I had learned with my DS expert, and he said nah... He said do what Spicer said and make pinion and 1st shaft match as close as possible while trying to keep u-joint angles small.

    When lifting the Tacoma, I don't think it's possible to keep all the u-joint angles in spec (<3°). Physically it just doesn't seem possible.

    The take off vibes your buddy feels... It's all subjective, but I think it's completely normal and par for the course when lifting. It's probably related to axle wrap. My truck is doing the same from 3-7 mph I get vibes, and it's smooth from 10-80 mph it seems.

    On my punch list, is to get under the truck and measure angles, post leaf pack reconfigure, DS rebuild. I need to know if I need to make any corrections before major trip, etc.
     
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  2. Oct 20, 2016 at 9:39 AM
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    Crom [OP] 2/3 way thru. I'll be back OCT 23, 2021

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    I like what you did there. :) I'm guessing that the acid bath was extremely helpful for adhesion purposes.

    In discussing my paint woes with Billy (Brute Force Fab), he relayed his experience with sandblasting, and highly recommended it along with painting immediately after blasting. From my discussion with the shop, their prices were very economical. I'll try to get a break down of what my costs are to share.

    :)
     
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  3. Oct 20, 2016 at 10:26 AM
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    Crom [OP] 2/3 way thru. I'll be back OCT 23, 2021

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    :( sad face for shared pain.

    :) There is a certain satisfaction about just throwing money at it and let a pro shop paint it.

    I was a little curious how the shop blasting process works.

    I showed the shop guy all the threaded holes in the metal and they said they plug them before blasting / PC. Some internet searching tells me they use silicone masking plugs in the holes. Makes sense. Silicone can withstand the high temps of the oven, and presumably hold up to the blasting.
     
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  4. Oct 20, 2016 at 10:55 AM
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    Thats the same way I start all fasteners in metal or wood (existing holes). I love when someone says you're turning it the wrong way, to which I reply, STFU and GTFO, noob.
     
  5. Oct 20, 2016 at 10:57 AM
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    Crom [OP] 2/3 way thru. I'll be back OCT 23, 2021

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    :rofl:
     
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  6. Oct 20, 2016 at 10:48 PM
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    Your slipping Nick! J/K. Yea I painted my siders and they are holding up fine but it was a lot of prep / time. The paint is starting to rub off where my leg rubs getting in / out. When it came to the bumper I paid a pro and am happy I did. The paint looks so much better. You will be happy you did too. He even agreed to touch it up now and then.
     
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  7. Oct 21, 2016 at 3:22 AM
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    Any special custom requests that you asked Billy to do for you? A Crom inspired one-off?
     
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  9. Oct 21, 2016 at 5:43 AM
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    Nick, In my shed, I have the exact Dakar/29XL, Allpro, Bilstein B110, Superbump setup with exception of the overload spring. Should I just go ahead and add the 3 degree shim when I install all of this?
     
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  10. Oct 21, 2016 at 6:56 AM
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    Crom [OP] 2/3 way thru. I'll be back OCT 23, 2021

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    Thanks.

    I asked for options that were all asked for before by other customers. I solicited a lot of feedback from past customers, all who were very helpful and will be given full credit in a future post. That will happen after everything i ordered has been painted, installed, checked for fitment and proper operation and all other outstanding issues fully resolved.

    The options I asked for on bumper was light cutouts, shorten sides of bumper by 2.5". On the gate I asked for the tire carrier to be canted forward, HD lockable latch, fold down aluminum table, dual can holders, hi lift mounts.

    Yesterday I posted the weight for each item in another thread. I'll import that in here in the future.


    It's a gamble. We're playing with geometry. One way to do it right (measure), and many ways to go wrong. Pain in the ass to reconfigure too.

    I gambled...hoping to dive under there and measure this weekend.
     
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  11. Oct 21, 2016 at 11:20 AM
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    Follow up questions Nick:
    Why shorten the bumper? And why cant the tire carrier forward?
     
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    I'm surprised you went with the tire gate option for the rear bumper. I remember you saying a while back that you didn't want a swing out cause it impedes with the access to the tailgate area. Curious to how you end up liking it. I'm on the fence of whether or not I want one for my truck as well once my build eventually gets to that stage. If my build goes roughly the same rate as yours I got another 4 1/2 years before that happens though :p
     
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  13. Oct 21, 2016 at 11:47 AM
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    OdinBow Just an idiot out wandering around CO.

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    I'm in the middle of this right now. I did the OME 885 / 5100 Billy / Deaver AAL lift and have the same vibes you are describing. I had guessed at a 2.5* shim and that might have worked if I kept my worn-out 100K+ mile leafs but I replaced those with stock leafs off a '14 Taco and glad I did. Right now my first shaft angle is -3.5* and pinion is-2.5* measured from reference of 0* at the xfer case flange. I ordered an assortment of shims to get it dialed in and will return the unused or see if any one on TW needs them.

    From what I've read, the Dakar leaf pack gives a hefty lift and most guys end up around a 4* shim but that depends on what you end up loading in/on the truck and final lift #'s. I know you have had yours for quite a while but you are adding a bumper. Not sure what that is going to add weight-wise but it might help your angles. I had a lift of 2.75" in the back which was more than what I was expecting. Hoping the 3* or 3.5* does the trick.

    Good luck!!

    Jason
     
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    Concerned with weight? :rofl: I thought only old school NASCAR guys did acid bath's... :D

    http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-donohue-trans-am-camaro-archived-test-review
     
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  15. Oct 21, 2016 at 1:08 PM
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    i may be old school, but i was not concerned with trying to reduce the weight of this HC, repeat, not concerned, so to that end, the phosphoric acid bath was relatively a quick scrubbing rather than an actual dip. the thick orange rust converting primer is curiously reminiscent of what is constantly being applied to the Golden Gate Bridge.
     
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  16. Oct 21, 2016 at 3:53 PM
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    Crom [OP] 2/3 way thru. I'll be back OCT 23, 2021

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    Additional clearance is just a precaution in case I ever move to 35 inch tires.

    Cant it's just a preference, it looks better to me.

    I ended up ordering the gate because the whole bumper is built around the spindle, and you can't add it after the fact unless you're a fabricator or pay a whole hell of a lot more money. I ordered an extra spindle cage, in the event that I pull the gate off I can protect the spindle. So in a way, I can configure the truck for each individual trip, sometimes I might want the gate on, and sometimes not.

    There is a weight penalty for having the gate, it is heavy and also having the spare tire hanging off like that is going to change the Dynamics of the truck. that's the only thing I'm really concerned about. I guess I'll know pretty soon.

    Thanks. Your post is right on too. How heavy the truck is loaded will affect ride height, which will also affect the pinion angle in relation to the first Shaft which is why everyone should always measure.

    Holy crap! That's almost a 400 pound difference to the Acid Bath I never would have guessed! Thanks for that article.
     
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    Crom [OP] 2/3 way thru. I'll be back OCT 23, 2021

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    Trucks new ass is on. I may or may not have bent the yellow pole while backing. Don't tell! :D
    [​IMG]
     
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    Looks awesome Nick!
     
  19. Oct 21, 2016 at 6:50 PM
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    Enough to make it a lot of fun!
    I like it a lot!
     
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    Nice work Nick. Thanks again for sharing the Denso 550-0103 TPMS Sensor info. I decided to add one to the spare. It looks identical to the OEM ones. Appreciate the help.
     
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