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I don’t know what a “soft shackle loop” looks like. If you’re welding anyway, why not just put D-Ring mounts on that work fine with soft shackles?

 

i mount the soft shackle anywhere it is acceptable, i didnt know there were specific loop designs for armor?

 

Think like this, but stronger. Just rounded edges to be less abrasive than traditional recovery points. I had this same question the other day.

 

Looks like a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist to me

 

Yeah like a hoop type deal rather than a hole in a plate. The edges of a hole in a plate are more conducive to tearing into a soft shackle

 

I was thinking of somehow making my hitch mounted D-ring mount capable of using the 7/8” shackle. My rear AND front bumpers have 2” receivers.

 

I think this discussion originated from the want/need/wish to reduce any metal, if it fails, being possible dangerous projectiles in a recovery.

Synthetic winch line and soft shackles was the key part of the discussion. Then the D-rings and the metal terminal hardware of the line (i.e. hook) were things that were brought up that could/might be elimated.

My concern is attaching a soft shackle to a D-ring introduces two possible failure points.

Hence Mark’s idea of a dedicated soft shackle point. Or my idea of a beefier D-ring that has a low probability of failure, when a soft shackle is attached to it.

 

oh, i attach mine to the oem offroad tow hook all the time or loop them through my rear d ring mounts, all of my soft shackles are in a sheath

 

Like a BEEFY metal D-shackle?

Which is a hoop type deal with rounded edges that won’t tear into a soft shackle.

 

The soft shackle points we're going to use will be 1" round stock bent on a 180 and cut on a cord to allow the knot of the shackle to pass, 3" was it @Redmann ?

 

Yeah

 

But is another point of failure and flying metal. I certainly subscribe to the idea that the less connection points, the better. A beefy d ring probably won't break, but what happens if it does?

I know its not comparable, but in my line of work as an electrician, the less connections the better...

 

I go by the same principle at work too when running venting for a furnace or gas piping, the less couplings I use the less chances of leaks, I know some guys who will coupling together 3 6'' nipples instead of just making a custom 20'' piece. first off it looks way cleaner and less possible leak points lol

 

Exactly, so why not apply that same principle to my truck? Just because DRings have been used for a long time, does not mean that they are the end all be all.

How long were fuses used in a house before breakers were made?

 

I think when I go 35s eventually I'm just gonna completely relocate my cab mount back a a few inches rather than deal with cutting it back. Seems like I see a lot of people cut it back a lot and still rub, and that sounds frustrating.

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/body-mount-relocate-kit-redgoatfab-haws.362489/

 

This is actually a very good idea. Why does Toyota make it so complicated to fit big tires? I was running 315s on my H3 with a tbar crank and a 1” shackle in the back. Came factory with 285s since it was an adventure package

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I agree completely.

But there’s a line that needs to be drawn somewhere.

What about your dedicated/custom soft shackle mounting point that you are considering? I ask the same question: What if it fails/breaks due to poor design, inferior material or improper welding? Will it be stronger than my proposed 6.5 ton rated shackles? I do not know.

I’m trying to figure out a way to use a much higher rated D-ring shackle than what I currently use. Which I think will allow a greater margin of safety and reduce, but not eliminate failure.

I think our agreement lies in the fact we’re both questioning the strength and safety of the the lesser rated 4.75 ton D-shackle, in the overall recovery system.

 

They really do make it tricky. I don't think it would have been hard for them to move the cab mount back 2" making everyone's lives easier to squeeze some big old tires in there!

 

I guess they wanted to see if we were up to the challenge. Little did they know

 

We're arguing the same point but wanting to use different recovery devices. I can say the same argument to you about the d ring mount in terms of improper welding and the rest of what you said. In all honestly, there will always be a weak link in anything. My point is only trying to keep less metal from flying in the event of a failure.