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The LED SAE J583 Fog Pod & Fog Light Review

Discussion in 'Lighting' started by crashnburn80, Jun 20, 2018.

  1. Oct 9, 2018 at 11:51 PM
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    Testing the Rigid amber SAE pre-production prototypes

    I was concerned with the level of output reduction caused by the amber lens on these pre-production lights after seeing the 50% loss caused by Rigid's amber snap on covers. I compared the measurements of the new Amber SAE pods (purple) vs the standard white Amber SAE pods running the Amber covers (green):

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    The new prototypes come in at over 60% brighter than using the amber covers on white lights, while also having a slightly higher color temperature which is helpful for general visibility. A significant improvement over the snap on cover solution. You can see Rigid did their homework to achieve the lower color temperature while minimizing the lux loss in their amber SAE fog.

    As a major added benefit to those in cold environments, the yellow filtering lens appears to absorb a good amount of light energy and get quiet warm compared to the clear lens. You can see in the comparison to the unfiltered spectrum output below, that all that low wavelength blue light gets absorbed by the lens, translating into heat. The amber lens should therefore have much better resistance to icing than the clear lens.

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    They take a little while to get warm, but icing shouldn’t be an issue. Ambient temp 63 degrees, lens temp 143 degrees.

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    The reduction in output from using the snap on amber cover compared to no cover was measured at about 50% loss as shown below. The new prototype design is significantly more efficient with only a 20% loss.

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    I've ordered Rago mounts for street testing. The performance of these lights is quiet compelling for an amber fog compared to the amber cover option.
     
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  2. Oct 10, 2018 at 5:18 AM
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  4. Oct 10, 2018 at 8:02 AM
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    As mentioned above, CaliRaised does not make fogs, they make spots. This is covered in the beginning of the original post. Spots do not light an area well like fogs, they light a very small area and are designed for distance, they have no cut offs to prevent blinding other drivers.

    Options for amber fogs:
    -Rigid SAE fog pods with amber covers
    -KC G4 SAE amber fogs (will test here next month)
    Not currently available but coming soon:
    -Rigid SAE amber fog pods
    -Morimoto SAE amber fogs
     
  5. Oct 10, 2018 at 8:07 AM
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    Very interested in this info and looking forward to your findings!
    If you're able to also include recommendations for:
    "top of the line type"
    "bang for the buck type"
    "tight budget type"
    This will be helpful.
     
  6. Oct 10, 2018 at 8:16 AM
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    Ok, thanks for the information.
     
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    That info is the the first post...Cliff Notes section.
     
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    Thanks for the reminder. I either forgot or missed it entirely. I will revisit the first post after the next review.

    @crashnburn, thanks a bunch for your work. I learned so much. I don't want to blind others and have used your info on a purchase decision. (Got philips halogen low beam instead of HID). Now looking at fogs next. Thanks again!
     
  9. Oct 10, 2018 at 10:18 AM
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    I took this to mean recommendations for amber SAE pods. But yes, I’ll put together a section in this thread devoted to just amber lights with recommendations.
     
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    70 people on the thread. I’d say there is a little interest in the Rigids.

    Edit: ok 90+
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    @crashnburn80

    In the comparison of the two Rigid versions, the new prototype appears to have a shorter beam. Was that the case? The original Rigid looks to cover more vertical space.

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    Good question.

    The pictures in the spectrometer screen shots are not relative. You can see that the lights using the cover appear brighter in that photo, which is overexposed. I think I was trying to capture the cut offs in that one where as the other I was trying to capture color without overexposing the shot. Really a DSLR would be more appropriate.

    But in short the beam pattern width is the same for both lights.
     
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    Updated Rigid SAE amber post with a lens temp IR reading after running for 40 min.
     
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    Hi can I please have a link to where can I order rigid sae amber color fog lights and mounting brackets thanks
     
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    They aren't available yet. That is a pre-production unit he was testing.
     
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    @crashnburn80

    Just curious but have you tested the older version of the Rigid Dot pods compared to the newer version? I am running the first version and was told by sidetracked that the new ones are brighter, although not by much. Do you have any info between the two by chance?
     
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    As @DirtJumper14 mentioned, these are pre-production prototypes, production has not started. But they are coming soon.

    The LEDs did not change at all, it is just the optics. Claims are wider, brighter and smoother pattern. Makes me curious how much of the amber gains were due to the new optics as I did compare it to the previous SAE model I had on file. I'll have to ask Rigid's engineering team.
     
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    Thank you. I have been thinking about upgrading them if that is the case. I patiently await your response. :cheers:
     
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