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The LED SAE J583 Fog Pod & Fog Light Review

Discussion in 'Lighting' started by crashnburn80, Jun 20, 2018.

  1. Nov 28, 2018 at 6:38 AM
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    I have no serious complaints about my amber G4s, but I was quite surprised at the wide angle they have. I am not usually interested in stuff that is going on 60 degrees off the bow. Is this for cornering?

    Thanks for confirming that the amber output is less than the white model output. So much BS on manufacturers' websites for these products.
     
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  2. Nov 28, 2018 at 8:02 AM
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    :eek: Good god, that's like an eternity, man!

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  3. Nov 28, 2018 at 8:12 AM
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    The OEM TRD fogs are even wider. Part of the purpose of a fog light is to find the fog line (white line) or centerline on the roadway at very low speed in dense fog. Wide patterns help you see the edges of the road and beyond to get your bearings. If the pattern is narrow, it isn’t as helpful in dense fog as while you might see immediately in front of you, you don’t have the situational awareness to see that the road is turning until you are almost driving off of it. Fog lights are not aux driving lights, and should only be run when needed. Increased foreground light from fogs reduces your distance vision.

    There is certainly lots of misleading and confusing information on LED sites, some much worse than others. I find KC actually has pretty good info overall on their site. Keep in mind the specs state ‘raw lumens’ not actual output.
     
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  4. Nov 28, 2018 at 8:25 AM
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    This is what their data sheet said at the time I ordered about six weeks ago. Seems to imply amber output is the same as white, 866 lumens.Screen Shot 2018-11-28 at 11.22.28.jpg
     
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  5. Nov 28, 2018 at 8:27 AM
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    Pardon my ignorance (I need to get out more), but many light trucks/SUVs have been running around for YEARS now with 4 bright sources of white light out the front. What purpose are the lower 2 supposed to serve? I've noticed that, while the headlights may be aimed properly, those lower 2 lights are often all over the place.

    It was interesting to see Dan Stern mentioned here. A while back, I got the distinct impression that later model year vehicles were spewing out much more useless white light out the front than in past years. I searched around trying to find some evidence to support this notion and ran across a lengthy rant-and-rave by Dan saying, essentially, just that. He had said that he hoped the DOT would address the problem sometime soon. I then noticed the post was from 15 years ago, so I decided I shouldn't hold my breath waiting for change.
     
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  6. Nov 28, 2018 at 9:02 AM
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    Your average SUV driver around here drives with fogs on all the time, because, y'know, more light. You get dazzled by the fogs on a regular basis if you are in any kind of sedan or sports car. They consider them to be a kind of driving light. I am pretty sure they are not designed as fogs, with a sharp cutoff below eye height. But maybe it is because the bumper height on SUVs is so high to be able to navigate Costco parking lot.

    I only run fogs when required, happens maybe twice a year. Driving around with them on all the time is pretty goofy to me. I also don't understand the people who mount non-SAE spec lights that can cook a hot dog, it is very inconsiderate to other road users.
     
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  7. Nov 28, 2018 at 9:05 AM
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    @crashnburn80
    Your write ups are phenomenal. Thank you.

    I personally like the performance of the stock 3rd gen fog lights. An amber colored would be great, but I don’t want to lose the wide throw they produce.

    Is there an ideal aftermarket fog, or bulb, you’d suggest? The KC amber G4 seems like the most likely answer. I’m curious to see what Baja Designs upcoming SAE light will be.

    Also, for general night time road auxiliary lighting, do you have any brand/model recommendations? And even truck mounting locations you find more beneficial than others? I’m not a big fan of the aesthetics of giant light bars.

    I apologize if you’ve covered those questions repeatedly.
     
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  8. Nov 28, 2018 at 9:06 AM
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    Ah. So they CAN be switched on/off independently of the headlights, but people CHOOSE to drive around with that second set of lights on. ::eye roll::
     
  9. Nov 28, 2018 at 9:08 AM
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    Guilty. I did the foglight anytime mod just so I could use them as DRL.
     
  10. Nov 28, 2018 at 9:14 AM
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    If our paths should ever cross, I will cut you.

    Kidding! (...mostly)

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    DRLs are a great idea, there is no doubt they save lives. Pretty sure you can just ask your dealer to program your truck to act like a Canadian one, he will probably cooperate. People used to do that all the time up here when they were importing vehicles from the States because DRLs are required to pass import inspection.

    You should write your Transportation department and demand that DRLs be law. Also get them to do something about the goofy headlight beam requirement that illuminates the birds in the sky, and make it more like the Yurp-spec lights.
     
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    Do you have a link for the foglight anytime mod? I want it for use when I run high beams. Thanks
    (Oh, I have a Gen 3...not sure if that makes a difference)
     
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    Just google it. It’s very simple, on the second gen at least. Takes 10 minutes
     
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    I like my DRLs, first vehicle I've had with 'em. I only wish I had something similar in the rear, like a red tube light (hopefully wouldn't be confused with a brake light). I've only been in 3 noteworthy accidents in my life, and in all 3 cases it was because I was struck from the rear (hence the pic in the sig line). Might be nice to get people's attention back there.
     
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    Quite honestly, most of the OEM auxiliary lights one sees out there are more for decoration than useful lighting. A couple of my Ford F-150's (my 1997 and 2005 for instance) actually had very effective true fog beams. Once the bean counters figured out that "real" lighting cost more money though, both versions were discontinued and replaced with far less effective lighting in two model years.

    The sad truth is that the vast majority of drivers have no clue as to what effective lighting really is and/or how to use it correctly. And many believe that "more lighting" is the same thing as "more effective lighting." A few of us know those are two very different things. This explains why so many folks want "fog lights" on their shiny new vehicle.
     
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    I see a lot of new cars with fogs but all they do is light up the ground 90* below the light. Like a license plate light. Ridiculous.
     
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    My rigid fogs are great for spotting suicidal wildlife. The wide beam is great for illuminating far into the fescue and other agricultural crops I drive through daily. Does it limit the distance I can see when I can’t use my brights? Eh, maybe. The number of deer you see just out of the beam pattern of headlights is pretty amazing. The fogs have saved my front end many times. I’d prefer to not have another reason to be pulled over when somebody deems it not foggy enough for me to use my fogs.
     
  18. Nov 28, 2018 at 11:09 AM
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    What's a wide narrow beam?
     
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    Twice a Year? Really? Sure not like that on the Manitoba side. :canada:
     
  20. Nov 28, 2018 at 11:11 AM
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    Vertically narrow, horizontally wide.
     
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