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The LED SAE J583 Fog Pod & Fog Light Review

Discussion in 'Lighting' started by crashnburn80, Jun 20, 2018.

  1. Mar 5, 2019 at 5:19 PM
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    Truth be told, it's a little bit of both. For a manufacturer, a fog light is about the worst possible location and beam pattern to be used for warning purposes. The lights are located too low on the vehicle and the beam pattern is too flat. The result is extremely limited warning ability. (And it should be noted that they don't market them for warning purposes, only mentioning a "strobe mode.") I really doubt any company needing warning lights would even consider these bulbs. And I can safely say this having a friend who owns a company that sells and installs warning / emergency lighting systems. That leaves it up to the individual user to decide not to abuse the strobe mode. Given the disturbing number of folks who abuse LED light bars, I'm not real confident there. Just my personal opinion.
     
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  2. Mar 5, 2019 at 5:35 PM
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    :thumbsup: And I can say, as upper management in a construction company, and 2 family owned construction/heavy civil companies, we put the lights as close to factory locations as possible. The only exceptions are crew/foreman trucks, which get flashing lights on the roofs. We have used flasher relays attached to aftermarket pods (Rigid for example), cheap Chinese stick on flasher assemblies, actual strobe units drilled and mounted into the OEM light housings, and have found the "drop in" bulbs to be the most value. Less buy in cost, and installation cost. That being said, these aren't everyone's cup of tea. I get it. Some companies go different routes, and that's fine. But if it doesn't work for one group, doesn't mean its a fail across the board. ;)
     
  3. Mar 5, 2019 at 5:45 PM
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    I can relate to where you're coming from. Hide-a-way (HAW) strobes and LEDs are fairly popular up here with snow plows and emergency equipment. My friend sells and installs tons of them - all from Whelen. They're in a whole different league though both in terms of cost and performance. But these HAW's are all installed in addition to the OEM light source.
     
  4. Mar 5, 2019 at 5:48 PM
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    I thought Whelen was mostly light bars and aircraft?
     
  5. Mar 5, 2019 at 6:19 PM
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    Nope. They have a full line of stuff. (I have some of their LEDs in my bar.) Generally speaking, in automotive warning lights, they're the top of the food chain.
     
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  6. Mar 13, 2019 at 1:36 PM
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    Off topic

    Whelen is high as a giraffe’s ass on airplane lighting, but they pretty much have the market cornered. I wish someone else would come out with some certified lights for GA.
     
  7. Mar 20, 2019 at 10:40 AM
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    I really want those KC G4s, but $290 vs the Morimoto at $130 with the TW code. :(

    Higher quality, higher price.

    Great write up!
     
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  8. Mar 20, 2019 at 11:21 AM
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    You can purchase the KC G4’s for $245 from Summit Racing with the $20 off coupon code they have listed at the top of their site. Obviously not as cheap as the Morimotos, but helps move the price in the right direction.
     
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    Man still no release on either the Baja or Rigid SAE fogs?
     
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  10. Mar 21, 2019 at 10:34 AM
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    I bought the KC G4's after seeing them here and doing a bunch of follow up research. I'm very happy with them.
    20190321_075351.jpg
     
  11. Mar 21, 2019 at 11:08 AM
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    Rigid Ambers are due out in April, Bajas fogs are due out in June.

    Building an SAE compliant product is more challenging than people may realize. Not only do you have to have the pattern correct, you also need to get the chromaticity window correct, which gets very challenging when talking about selective yellow fogs. When using an amber light source, you just need to pick an LED that emits the correct chromaticity and build it into a light, however challenges arise out of output intensity. When building a selective yellow light source, you typically need to find a yellow filter that will alter your light sources output chromaticity to hit the legally required region in the window. There is no off the shelf filter, because every light source is going to be different, meaning the filter will affect it differently and the resulting output will be different.

    Here is an example of a chromaticity diagram. There is a very small defined region on this diagram that the lights must be within in order to be labeled SAE compliant as selective yellow fogs. I could not readily find a non-copyrighted image to share that shows the window outline, so this diagram just gives an idea of the concept. Supposedly Rigids first batch of amber lenses were off spec and moved the light outside of the chromaticity window required for SAE compliance, so being a reputable company they were scrapped, which also demonstrates the challenges for manufacturing tolerances to ensure the products land in the desired spot on the chart. Needless to say it is engineering details like these that separate companies that build SAE compliant products for legal street use from those that don't.

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    Looking forward to hearing your thoughts. I’ll be looking to buy some in not too long myself.

    Do you drive with them on all the time or just when needed?
     
  13. Mar 22, 2019 at 8:10 AM
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    S/C w/ Gibson exhaust Araid CAI, afr/boost gauges in Craven Speed mount, LED camper shell lighting kit clear bra, fogs, Leer shell w/keyless entry & Thule roof rack system Pop & Lock tailgate handle Rugged country 30" light bar for lower front bumper, Baja Designs SR2 flush mount rear bumper lights, DB Customz grill w/ 3" cube lights, Viair 2 gal tank, Viar Compressor
    I just feel smarter after reading a post like this. I don't understand the post...I just feel smarter :)
     
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    Good to know Rigid are working hard on a solution. Thanks for the insight. I might not have time to wait any longer. Are the original Rigid SAE pods really that bad on color temperature? They appear to be quite blue on your testing and in most pictures I've seen online they don't look great. Was hoping Baja would step in and release a warmer colored SAE fog but June seems so far way.

    If you had to recommend a square pod I can run on the road legally to fit into a custom bumper what would you recommend?
     
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    Been very happy so far. I have 5000k HID's in the headlights and they work nicely together. I have not driven in any super figgy conditions but have been in light fog. Flicking them on and off I could see a nice difference.
    I have them running pretty much anytime the truck is on. I did the fog light anytime mos and run with my marker lights on.
    I think it looks great, and a but more visible on the road is a good thing.
     
  16. Mar 22, 2019 at 9:10 AM
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    LOL. Lets just say there is more to it than color temp. :)

    Their "white" pods are very blue at over 7000k color temp. I’m not a fan of the color. April is just next month, but if you had to buy now I'd get the Rigids and run their amber cover plates. You can see more detail of that setup in post #186 earlier in this thread here.
     
  17. Mar 25, 2019 at 10:25 AM
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    Ok I keep coming back to this thread and reading more and more. It’s really come down to the OffRoad Town and the KC G4’s.

    It’s a tough decision because they’re close in performance and price (used price for KC vs new for ORT)
     
  18. Mar 25, 2019 at 11:21 AM
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    I’d definitely go with the KCs if deciding between the two. The ORTown has slightly better lux numbers but the KCs have 2x the pattern area coverage and a much better 5000k light color. They have the additional advantage of not needing adapters and being plug and play.
     
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  19. Mar 25, 2019 at 2:41 PM
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    No opinion on the 1st option, but I have the KC's. Was amazed at how easy they were to install. I had the headlights out already, so super simple. No splicing, straight bolt on. Could get them in amber from the factory.
     
  20. Mar 25, 2019 at 2:45 PM
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    Just so everybody knows, you don't have to remove your headlights to install fog lights in the factory locations in a Tacoma. All you have to do is remove a few fasteners to loosen the front half of the inner fender liner and you'll have more than enough access.

    If you do have the headlights out though, it probably is easy to drop them in that way.
     
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