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The LED SAE J583 Fog Pod & Fog Light Review

Discussion in 'Lighting' started by crashnburn80, Jun 20, 2018.

  1. May 16, 2019 at 7:48 AM
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    They have been ‘available’ for order for maybe a month, but still not shipping. I have yet to recieve mine.

    The SAE selective yellow series lights have a real fog beam pattern with hard cut offs to work effectively in poor weather conditions and not blind other drivers, the other Rigid pods do not. They are the same price as their white SAE lights.
     
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  2. May 16, 2019 at 7:50 AM
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    Good to know, just yuck on the orange color. But I use my Dually's as Ditch Lights actually pointing at ditches.
     
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  3. May 16, 2019 at 7:53 AM
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    Yeah, different pattern for different purpose. The orange color is just the filter, the light output is yellow. The Hella filters on your Rigids are a good way to knock down the color temp out of that high temp bluish spectrum the white Rigids use.
     
  4. May 16, 2019 at 7:56 AM
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    Indeed and those H3 Philips Night Breakers I put in the Hella 500's are amazing.
     
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  5. May 16, 2019 at 9:24 AM
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    Ok so I guess I might be the first one here to receive the Rigid SAE pods in selective yellow. I got them in yesterday and did a quick install because everything was pretty much ready to go. The install was super quick because I took my white SAE pods out to send them in to Rigid and have them swap in the new selective yellow components (new LEDS and a new lens). If anyone is interested in doing this, send me a personal message for details but let me just say Rigid did this service for a very fair price and pretty quick turn around. About 2 weeks.

    Ok so coming from the white pods with amber covers on them, the initial impression of these selective yellows: much more output, a more "yellow" vs amber or orange color temp, very similar beam pattern. On the first drive I definitely noticed these lights throw more on the road than the white with amber covers. Not sure how much of a color temp difference there is but they seem to blend better with my headlights vs looking very yellow/orange on the blacktop. They provide a nice amount of light and coverage in the fog zone.

    Super excited to see what numbers @crashnburn80 finds when he gets his in.

    Here are a couple output photos. Sorry for the not so great quality!

    Also I used the guide posted up in this thread for aiming as a double check and it was pretty helpful, so thanks for posting that up here! IMG_1063.jpg IMG_1051.jpg IMG_1053.jpg
     
  6. May 16, 2019 at 9:56 AM
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    Nice! You are the first that I am aware of. I wonder if that has anything to do with your swapping rather than the rest of us waiting for all new product.

    The lower color temp LEDs used with the selective yellow filter will definitely provide greater output than the amber covers over high color temp LEDs. Cannot wait to test these out as soon as they show up!
     
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  7. May 16, 2019 at 9:59 AM
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    I know you don't have the numbers or products to make an informed decision yet, but do you think the rigids or BD sae fogs will have better output? I prefer the circular look of the BD but will settle for the square pods for better output
     
  8. May 16, 2019 at 10:12 AM
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    Yeah I was hesitant to post this up cause I know people are waiting. I didn't expect mine so soon but I guess since I swapped it's an entirely different situation/department. They for sure reused all the housing and external wiring components because I marked them with a few sharpie marks before I sent them in to see if they were the same ones when they came back.

    But yeah really stoked to see the results when you put these through your testing soon.
     
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    Looks nice. Congrats!
     
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  10. May 16, 2019 at 10:22 AM
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    Thank you! Pretty stoked!
     
  11. May 16, 2019 at 10:52 AM
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    I agree on the look.

    The answer is somewhat complicated. It doesn't seem effectively possible to filter high color temps down to the required selective yellow window. Rigid's white lights are very blue at over 7000k. It took them quiet a while to get the selective yellow sorted out before going down to warm white (4000-4300k) LEDs in order to meet the chromaticity requirements. Using a warmer color LED is more efficient because less light is lost though the amber filter to generate selective yellow light, leading to greater output with all other things being equal. Baja's 'white' light is a much better 5000k than Rigids 7000k white, but that still might be too high to hit selective yellow, and if they are able to get it down using filters alone it will require heavier filtering which will further reduces output over using a more efficient warmer color temp LED. Baja appears to be still working on figuring this out and I do not know if they have will be going away from their hallmark 5000k LEDs for better performance, or if they have even considered it. You'll notice they have delayed their selective yellow pods with no launch target date announced while keeping their white SAE pods launching in June. This science is far more challenging than most people realize and Baja's first foray into SAE lighting. A selective yellow SAE fog from an LED pod is probably the most challenging light to build in the SAE family, and certainly a very difficult one to start with for their very first SAE product. While Rigid's use of warm white LEDs is more efficient than using high color temp LEDs, if Baja got the filtration correct for their 5000k LEDs, they could use more power to overcome the lower efficiency filtration for better output. However the internal projectors in SAE fog pods have issues with deforming and melting as the heat is turned up, so throwing more power at the problem isn't as easy as it sounds either. Projector pods are actually the least efficient light in the pod family. So it is hard to say how that will play out or what they will do. Using a warmer color LED will produce a richer color yellow though than using a higher color temp light source. I'm really excited to see what they come out with as I have always liked Baja's lights. I'm also excited to see SAE lights gaining such traction that major brands are focusing their R&D efforts on building and improving these products, since the majority of us do use our trucks on the street.
     
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    Sharing info is a good thing! Especially on such a cool product. That is awesome you got yours already, I hope mine come in soon. :)
     
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    Damn, your knowledge of lighting is honestly mind blowing. I'm looking forward to your comparison of the two when the time comes. :cheers:
     
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    Nice. It appears they may have a lower temp than the preproduction model I have been running since December. I know most people don't like Rigid on this site but I love driving with them compared to the white version.

    @crashnburn80 let me know when you want me to send one back to test against the production model. Looks like it may be soon and hopefully it stops raining here.
     
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    I’ll keep you posted! I don’t want to have your truck be without a light if it takes a while.
     
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    Long shot, but is anyone aware of a company who makes bumper brackets for our OE fog light location that fit the Rigid pods besides Rigid? I really want to run the new Rigid SAE fogs, but I for one think their mounting kit is hideous. I'd much rather have a plain black-faced plate like the Apex Fabworks ones I had on my last truck, but not be limited to the Chinese SAE pods.
     
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  17. May 21, 2019 at 2:47 PM
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    I’ve been wanting to do the same thing. I have the new yellow Rigids ordered but are on back order. I’m thinking of modifying the oem bezel and hopefully it will look better than the flat plate.
     
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    I haven't ordered mine yet so I have more time to figure it out. I just reached out to Apex to see if they might be willing to make a custom set. They're in the process of moving so they probably won't know for sure for a month or so, but it might be something they're willing to do. Chris has always been great.
     
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    But of course, it was listed in the OP. Rago makes them.

    Here is their combo kit that shows the mount: https://www.ragofabrication.com/collections/tacoma/products/16-17-toyota-tacoma-fog-kit-sae-pro-pair

    Unfortuntely Rago takes the mount page down whenever they are out of stock rather than just listing the item as out of stock, so it returns a 404 until they put it back up. This is the mount product page which has more photos (but is currently taken down):
    https://www.ragofabrication.com/col...neration-toyota-tacoma-rigid-fog-light-mounts
     
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    Yeah, but they're the same as Rigid's because they're the OEM for Rigid. The whole point was avoiding those particular brackets.
     
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