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The LED SAE J583 Fog Pod & Fog Light Review

Discussion in 'Lighting' started by crashnburn80, Jun 20, 2018.

  1. May 30, 2019 at 3:16 AM
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    tl;dr I read all of the info on you testing the prototype before; what’s the testing on this? Confirmation of final product? I’ve been guilty of running Amber BD Sport’s with wide cornering for Fogs
    Glad I found this thread
     
  2. May 30, 2019 at 6:27 AM
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    The Accord fogs are at a slight angle and i'll have to make one side adjustable up and down to level out if it's off.
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    I'm also thinking of making them flip up inside the bumper and out of the way when wheeling. There is also actual mounts on the top of the bumper in the center section for lights but it seems a bit high for fogs. I'd like to find some square ones the size of the blinkers that are on the bumper. That would be ideal.
     
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  3. May 30, 2019 at 9:39 AM
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    The prototypes I tested were an amber lens over their white SAE LED, which turns out fell outside the required SAE chromaticity window for selective yellow. Recall that their white lights are a bit blue, and blue light filtered through an amber lens has likely too much green to be in the SAE selective yellow requirements. They since changed the LEDs out with a 'warm white' version (4000k-4300k) which should produce a richer yellow, and since the LED color is closer to the filter color, you have a lower lumen loss rate through the filter resulting in brighter output, assuming the new LEDs are of equal intensity. While the prototype testing was fun and showed promise, I'd like to provide the data of the actual finished product for comparison.

    Hopefully you have plans to change out the lights for street use, or at least recognize how unfriendly those BDs are for street use and modify lighting use habits accordingly. :)

    Something to consider for a flip mount, is the ability to lock them in back at the right position so you don't have to reaim them every-time you flip up/down. If you went to a top mount, the KC G4s are available in a free standing universal mount. But I do agree that is a bit high of a position for fog lights.
     
  4. May 30, 2019 at 5:15 PM
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    These arrived today! Super stoked!!!
     
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  5. May 30, 2019 at 9:37 PM
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    Going to be interesting to see how they compare to the KC G4 ambers
     
  6. May 30, 2019 at 9:44 PM
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    Not going to be much of a comparison, these are massively brighter. But these are also selective yellow, vs KC being true amber. I pitched this product to Rigid over a year ago, I tested the prototypes back in October. All my testing is standardized, so you can compare the lux numbers in the prototype testing to the numbers of the KC Ambers below. The production version of these Rigids use a warm white LED vs the prototype using cool white. Warm white will have less filtration losses, meaning they should be higher in output over the prototypes. I'll test them soon.

    Amber fog/pod comparisons:
    Rigid amber/yellow: See the preproduction prototype comparison here.
    KC G4 amber: see here.
     
  7. May 31, 2019 at 6:47 AM
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  8. May 31, 2019 at 8:35 AM
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    I keep trying to find deals on the KC g4’s but damn the price keeps going up and up :annoyed:
     
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  10. May 31, 2019 at 3:58 PM
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    Clears are on backorder too. Guess that’s what I get for waiting.
     
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  12. May 31, 2019 at 9:38 PM
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    I’m a bit confused. Rigid said they swapped the LEDs to warm white to meet selective yellow vs the prototypes using cool white.

    However, based on my data:
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    (“Amber” is the prototype)

    The light output is nearly identical. I’ll have to compare side-by-side to the prototypes and possibly ping Rigid because it doesn’t appear these are actually any different.

    I do wish I sprung for the extra $500 option on my light meter when I purchased it to give me color chromaticity so that I would have a better tool for the color definition, but based on what I’m seeing it looks the same.
     
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    Interesting! So are they also reading the same for output and all specs compared to the prototype?
     
  14. Jun 1, 2019 at 9:07 AM
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    Yes, it certainly appears that way.
     
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    That's good for me. Won't have to replace the pre production models I am running. Just reinstall them :thumbsup:
     
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    That's so weird because they specifically told me they were replacing the LEDs and the Lens when I sent mine in for the service to swap to Selective Yellow. I'm curious to see what Rigid tells you.

    At least I can know that they still perform better than the white with amber covers over them though right?
     
  17. Jun 3, 2019 at 12:23 PM
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    Yeah, they said they switched to a warm white LED, which should be roughly 3000k below what they used initially. 3000k color temp difference is significant and should easily be measurable.

    They are definitely far higher output than the whites version with Rigid's amber covers.
     
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    Interesting, let me know what Rigid says when they get back to you about the LEDs.

    At least I can feel good about the money spent to make the swap then!

    Also, if anyone wants my amber covers I have no use for them now. They are in good shape, willing to ship em to somebody for cheap. They should clip onto any Rigid D series light pod. Let me know!
     
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    I have some KC Ambers on the way, wondering if anyone has some videos with driving with them on, to see the actual light output! Thanks
     
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