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The LED SAE J583 Fog Pod & Fog Light Review

Discussion in 'Lighting' started by crashnburn80, Jun 20, 2018.

  1. Aug 24, 2019 at 7:04 AM
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    I have a set of dually d2 driving patter on my a pillars, work well for what I want but I'm planning on upgrading to some Baja Designs in the driving combo beam.
     
  2. Aug 24, 2019 at 1:45 PM
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    have you compared them side by side with the lp9? at our last outing in the desert the gravity pro seemed to fall short. I want to say we saw farther driving distance with 4 or 5 lp6s vs a rack of 6 ks. I really wish all these top companys would put actual results on the site to compare lol
     
  3. Aug 24, 2019 at 6:08 PM
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    I admittedly have not. It would be helpful if Baja published the standardized performance specs like KC and Rigid for easier cross product comparison. It would certainly be interesting to see them side by side!

    Front bumper is most ideal IMO for forward facing lights. Roof can give you better distance and the higher perspective will help reduce shadows, but it also introduces hood glare if mounted at the windshield which harms night vision, and adds wind noise.

    You want to match your pattern with the desired use use case you are wanting to achieve. Driving provides the ideal blend (IMO) of distance light with good usable area coverage, it can be helpful for both off road and on road as an aux high beam. Spot is best combined with other distance light upgrades as the area of spot illumination is very small but will extend further than driving. Wide is good for extra near field awareness off road, but doesn’t help with distance and isn’t very helpful for street driving.
     
  4. Aug 24, 2019 at 6:45 PM
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    Thank you!

    I figured the roof rack would introduce glare and harm night vision, maybe headache rack is the best option if the bumper mounts are not enough.
     
  5. Aug 24, 2019 at 7:00 PM
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    Mounting further back certainly eliminates the hood glare vs windshield mount, though it also reduces some of the angled down light output that is helpful for reducing shadows. I've seen some shelf type light shields to go under the light bar to help reduce hood glare. And the Pro6 bar offers much less glare as the LEDs are rear facing into the reflector giving much better light control with tighter pattern and less light spill than forward facing light bars, which reduces hood glare over standard light bars without needing any kind of shielding mechanism.
     
  6. Aug 25, 2019 at 6:56 AM
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    Thank you, You rock!
     
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  7. Aug 25, 2019 at 1:33 PM
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    Is anyone running these?

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  8. Aug 25, 2019 at 1:38 PM
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    Rigid 23004 Radiance light bar Cheap 3K 18W LED Fogs General AT-2's Pioneer AVH4200NEX w/ iDatalink JL XD5003V2 Focal 165KRX2's JL 10TW3 Arcticstart 803
    Can’t be 100% certain but that kinda looks like the first set I had before my KC’s. They eventually fogged up with condensation.
     
  9. Aug 25, 2019 at 2:15 PM
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    I got them for my wife's 4Runner. Awesome fogs for the money and better than the Morimotos. Crash test these in the OP.
     
  10. Aug 25, 2019 at 5:36 PM
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    Covered here in post #733: Toyota LED fogs
     
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  11. Aug 26, 2019 at 9:47 PM
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    Test fitting the Rigid Selective Yellow fogs with Rago mounts. Initial night output tests are exceptionally promising.

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  12. Aug 27, 2019 at 3:54 AM
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    Well I gotta steal of a deal on a set if baja sae's. Wanted the rigid but couldn't pass this deal up. Hopefully the mounts are the same. I know they are not as good as the rigid but are definitely better than my halogens. Still cant wait for crashnburn shots with the selective rigids. On another note I swapped the clear covers off my dually d2 to amber covers and it killed the light output by 60% or more.
     
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  13. Aug 27, 2019 at 4:17 AM
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    Can you post some output pics after install?
     
  14. Aug 27, 2019 at 6:13 AM
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    Yeah, I should have them on my the weekend if I get time. 12 hour shifts are whooping me right now. If I dont get any shots after I install I'll get some on my way in to work one day. I'll try to get some before and after, I dont have a Toyota but my 13 f150 has the Hids factory. Love them but the halogen fogs lack, a lot. I was saving up for a set of rigids but when this guy got a steal on a pre runner bumper and got a onx6 bar I jokingly offered a number for the lights and he took it. Now just to replace my dually d2 with squadron pros in combo.
     
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  15. Aug 27, 2019 at 7:03 AM
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    looking into getting the BAJA Designs SAE amber fogs for my taco, i was going to get the sports before i found out that they make the SAE's. because of the strict laws here in Louisiana i will go with the SAE's, but are they really worth the high $$$? they seem a bit pricey to me. worth it?:confused:
     
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    Theres a tundra forum where a guy shows the difference between drl, the factory led low beams, baha sae in amber, combo of low and baja sae, finally high beam leds. He locked his iphone so it wouldn't try to mess with the picture much. I need to mess with my phone to see if it can do the same. Usually if I take a picture of my cubes on they look dimmer on picture than in person.
     
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    Do you have the link for the Tundra pics?
     
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    This is derailing the thread a bit, but since the discussion has turned to roof-mounted bars: I'm really impressed with the Stage Series bars by Diode Dynamics. They're not nearly on the same echelon as the big boys mentioned here, but as far as "mid-range" bars go I think they're the top of their group. I tried (and promptly returned) a few bars in the same price bracket, for extremely poor optics and blinding hood glare unless I pointed them super high.

    This is their 30" bar, set up along with Baja Designs S2s as ditch lights. It's set up on my 4Runner rack and the hood is only gently illuminated when switched on- not blinding glare like the others I tested.

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    Grill mount is more ideal- just mentioning it for others in case they insist on a roof bar. Apparently the secret sauce is in their use of TIR (total internal reflection) optics, which are used to control scatter. It's a very efficient output for the size, consumption, and price.

    @crashnburn80 I'm not sure if you've seen other instances of TIR in other consumer offroad lighting? I'm out of my Tacoma and into a 4Runner now, but you're clearly the most thorough resource on the boards. Appreciate your contributions.
     
  20. Aug 29, 2019 at 7:13 PM
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    That is a nice clean low profile look! I have not tried the Diode Dynamics TIR bar. While I am familiar with many bars, I have not tested or spent time researching/testing light bars in general, though I have had many ask and several vendors offer to loan products. Something I may consider in the future.

    But as to your experience, yes a TIR designed bar will produce much less hood glare because it significantly reduces/eliminates the uncontrolled forward escaping light typical in most light bar/pod style products. The best way to control light is to bounce it off a reflector. A TIR unit operates similar to a reflector headlamp where there is a cap over the light source to eliminate stray light and make sure the light escaping is going in the direction desired or bounced off a reflector to go in the direction desired. Alternatively you can aim the LED backward into the reflector like KC and optimize the reflector design to utilize 100% of the light rather than caping the light source, though that requires a much larger assembly. Lastly you can use a projector to block the undesired light above a cut off, but projector designs are the least efficient.

    Here is a graphics showing how TIR is different than standard light bars for others.

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