Thinking of trading in my 18 Taco for a full-size

Very true. If I wanted a 10-year truck I would buy a second gen Tacoma.

 

That’s insane are you actually getting 28mpg from your 4wd ranger?!

 

Dude I never said city. I get 14 to 15 in pure city driving. But, my Tacoma only got 16-17 in pure city.
Again, if two trucks weigh about the same and they have about the same frontal area and they have the same tires and they travel the same speed over the same interstate in the same weather, they will use the same hp. Since pretty much every gasoline engine has roughly the same efficiency (25% or so) then that Ford and that Toyota will get the same mpg.
Overall though, combining city and highway, the little and turbo engines will do better.
That's what I said to begin with but you assumed.

 

I wasnt calling you out specifically, chill bro, lol. Like I said I don't have any first hand experience and you said you do. I just said I find it hard to believe the Tundra is getting 19 mpg hwy, thought I saw someone in this thread say that, and if it was you, thats awesome, but I would be suspicious of that being the norm. And I totally agree with your points / physics facts, I have a science and mechanical background, so I get it. What gen Tacoma? I consistently get 18-19 city and anywhere from 21-23 hwy, one time even 25, with my turd gens. No assuming here.

 

2-3 year truck—Ram FTW!!
Go test drive it and check out the power, technology, and comfort. It’s nice!

 

On trips from Myrtle Beach to Lancaster, I get 27-28 MPG easily, But it's a 2WD. (I buy street trucks. Have not gone wheeling since the 90's in my avatar Tacoma). On the other forum, people with 4WDs get about 1+2 MPG worse.

I am actually surprised at the fuel economy. I did not expect that. Especially driving on two-lane back roads. I use adaptive cruise 75% of the time and don't spool up the turbo if I don't have to. I have a 2.5" leveling lift as well. (Not that it makes much difference).

I hear there is a lawsuit pending on Ford's claim of MPGs . It's expected nowadays when people want to enjoy the power of a truck a tad too much then complain about Fuel economy. An added bonus is my hand calculations are within .5 to 1MPG of the trucks stated MPG. I don't do hand calcs anymore.

 

For people who actually own/use their trucks for the longterm (meaning outside of warranty) the added risk is failure and added repair costs. I get it that you think F-150's are great trucks to own for 3 years....a lot of people want trucks that can reliably run for 10 years or beyond....hence why Tundra sales have remained steady over the last few years, despite being much older than the competition.

Okay, but if we're going off accumulated fuelly results, not big-fish tales from biased owners, the average 3.5l ecoboost F-150 only has a 2 mpg advantage over the Tundra, not 4 mpg.

Ford adds some slight reinforcement to their frames, and stiffens up the suspension. That's about it.
The F-150's brakes, differential sizes and tow hitches are still inferior to what the Tundra uses. The Tundra has bigger brakes, a bigger 10.5" rear differential, and substantially more robust tow hitch compared to even the most HD version of the F-150. The fact that the base F-150's starts off w/ 8.8" rear axles is laughable, as that's what most midsized trucks and SUV's use. By any number of metrics, the Tundra is over-engineered to a greater degree compared to even the most "robust" F-150.

That's not a fact, rather an opinion. Buy what you want. The reliability surveys have been done...the Tundra and Tacoma have been consistently ranked at the top for the past few years. The other 1/2 tons and midsized trucks have had much less consistent track records.

 

There's quite a few comments on this already and I dont have time to read them all but maybe this is something you should consider: the 2021 Tundra will get atleast 1 new engine and/or a hybrid. Now that may detract from the 'sound' category depending on the turbos but you'll be in a better position for sure regarding MPG. This just all depends if you're willing to wait and see what specs get confirmed.

 

So does the Tacoma.
There’s a huge gap between 3rd and 4th before you even get to 5 and 6th.

 

I had a '17 Tacoma MT Sport double cab. Stock. About 19 mpg on highway and 17 city.
My '19 Tundra gets right at 18 mpg on highway and around 15 city. I put almost 40K miles on the Tacoma last year and already have 12K on the Tundra in less that four months. I have a lot of data lol.

 

You saved me the trouble of saying the same thing, thanks.

Former owner of a 2008, trouble free Tundra.

Edited to add: however, Mileage was atrocious so unless you on stock in an oil company that is a consideration.

 

Except 19.2 is my city MPG. I live close to work and drive in stop and go traffic most of the time. Also like I said before, the twin turbo novelty factor hasn’t worn off so I stomp the gas pedal a lot. Here’s my MPG the last time I filled up and got right on the highway:



I’m probably one of the few who can make an apples to apples comparison. I also had a company F150 several years ago, a 2014 with a steel body and V8. That one still got slightly better MPG than a Tundra, around 17 in mixed driving, which also consistently beat my former 2nd gen Tacoma’s MPG.

 

I like the Titan Pro-4x the most out of all the half-tons. Worth a look.

 

i'm in the same boat. decided to wait for the tundra refresh

 

For everyone bragging on half ton MPG, on my 200 mile trip to Atlanta a couple weeks ago, I got 25mpg in a Cummins 2500 4x4.

 

I know math is hard sometimes but the fuelly averages posted last page is 18 vs 14...

The super 8.8 stout. Probably the first person to ever say anything bad about.

And I also suppose that ford is lying about the frames. LD frame is.087, HD is.1 and HPP.11 thick.

Sorry OP. I'm done derailing. Enjoy whatever you get.

 

I’ve been Toyota dedicated for quite awhile now mainly for the reliability. I owned a tundra before I bought my 2019 tacoma. But while I was shopping around the Rebel ram was by far my favorite. If you can afford it, I’d say go for it. They’re great looking trucks, have lots of great features and the hemi has proved to be a good engine. I was a technician for dodge for quite a few years and it seemed to be the engine I worked on the least

 

I love my Taco for its size, utility and the short beds are remarkably agile for a truck... but the family would love me to get a full size. And I probably will eventually but I’m holding out for this hybrid, turbo V6 tundra that’s in the works. 30mpg + lots of torque in a full size sounds like fantasy but it’s get my interest for sure... 2 after release when kinks get worked out

 

You just don't even know what you're flapping your lips about now. The Ford 8.8" differential has been used in motorsports for decades on up to 1000 horsepower vehicles. It's comparable in strength to the Ford 9" differential. There's more to it than the size of the ring gear. The thickness of the pinion shaft, carrier bearings and caps, even the shape of the housing is part of a differential's strength. True, the 8.8" has been used in Rangers, Exploders and Lincoln Town Cars. It's also in the 760 HP Mustang GT500. It's plenty strong for a 1/2 ton pickup. Shit, people have been wheeling the piss out of the Toyota 7.5" IFS diff for decades and it's plenty strong, too.