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Time for real talk: TFL and the war on Tacoma

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016+)' started by Stocklocker, Feb 20, 2021.

  1. Feb 21, 2021 at 8:54 PM
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    JeffsJeep04

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    The difference between a loaded off-road and a pro is about $3k. If you threw equivalent suspension and some new rims, you are right there.
     
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  2. Feb 21, 2021 at 8:55 PM
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    Yes. I don't have the details, but I don't believe there was any bad blood or anything.
     
  3. Feb 21, 2021 at 9:11 PM
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    You're not far off (remember to subtract the cost of the TRD OR wheels and suspension you are removing). But most of the Pro is cosmetic. In my opinion (and this has been debated before) the Pro should, at minimum, come with more aggressive tires than the TRD Off Road and not the exact same, highway oriented all terrains. It isn't like the Pro comes with a front locker or other tech that the TRD OR doesn't have. The Rubicon and ZR2 come with tech their next lower trims don't come with. It just kind of makes the Pro not that special, outside of suspension. But that's my opinion.
     
  4. Feb 21, 2021 at 9:20 PM
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    shakerhood

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    At about the 1:05 mark in this video the guy hits the A-TRAC button and climbs right out of the sand.
     
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  5. Feb 21, 2021 at 9:23 PM
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    These dudes are nerds and their content is boring. I couldn’t care less what they think about Tacoma’s.
     
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  6. Feb 21, 2021 at 9:25 PM
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    There is a reason why the Tacoma is the top selling mid size truck in america. Trying to knock the king off the hill is what you see happening throughout youtube, with a bunch of wannabe off roaders. I always love the comments, I own a Taco but I would get a Ranger or (fill in model here). Well then live by your words and dump that Taco and get a Colorado or a Ranger or a Frontier, etc. You won't because you know the Taco is still the best all arounder.

    Then there is the guy that says, if you don't like the youtuber why watch their video. Well by the same token, if you don't like your Taco, why are you on this forum? we are all inquisitive, which is why we go on forums and youtube.

    posting this again for posterity, double locker chevy colorado gets owned by Taco. Fun starts at minute 15

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZYQNTLv1iE
     
  7. Feb 21, 2021 at 9:33 PM
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    Well said.
     
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  8. Feb 21, 2021 at 9:38 PM
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    It’s a nice suspension though as are the wheels. It’s a desert running truck I don’t think it needs a front locker. Even the Gladiator Mojave doesn’t have a front locker. Most people don’t buy pick-ups for rock crawling anyway. What Toyota should do is bring back the FJ and make that fully locked.
     
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  9. Feb 21, 2021 at 10:04 PM
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    I like TFL and what they try to do in most of their studios.

    Off-Roading is not one of them. This video reminds me of the person that has no idea what kind of off-roading they want to do first. Then just buy “whatever”, not read the owners manual, get stuck AF, and blasts on TW HELP!!!I’M STUCK AND MY CRAWL CONTROL DOESN’t WORK...


    My personal opinion on the JT was a little disappointment. The few I’ve seen, all had small lifts, 37’s, etc. I was shocked how poorly it performed in rocks and watched a TW member with a Tacoma TRD OR with smaller tires outperform it all day long.
     
  10. Feb 21, 2021 at 10:22 PM
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    I've heard nothing but good things about it. I just don't understand the people who buy one and immediately upgrade it when it would have been cheaper to purchase a TRDOR and do the same thing.

    I agree about the front locker, but I was using it as an example. These trucks have multiple other systems which will simulate a locker or LSD which will help in those situations.
     
  11. Feb 21, 2021 at 10:38 PM
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    I get it, there was some low hanging fruit to different the Pro more. Like they could have allowed the locker and MTS to be used in 4HI like the Mojave. I also don’t get people who buy a Pro and throw new suspension and wheels on it, their money though.
     
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  12. Feb 22, 2021 at 4:56 AM
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    Fine, but ultimately the comparison is highly flawed. It's as much a tire competition as a truck competition, and tires are a wear and replace component. Crawl control, lockers etc are not. Take that huge variable out of it and take 15 seconds at the beginning to say that Tacoma stock tires are decidedly terrible. Hell, put the Tacoma stocks on the other vehicles...who cares...just remove the tire variable.
     
  13. Feb 22, 2021 at 7:06 AM
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    Dryfly24

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    I agree with you to an extent. There are a lot of things I don’t like about them, they are great trucks but I wouldn’t say there’s nothing special about them. I think the build quality is far and above most anything else you can presently buy in their category. That alone makes them special.

    I expect to be driving my present truck in ten years and I expect it’ll still look and run as good as it does today if I do my part and take care of it properly.

    I’m a big Jeep fan, I love the whole concept behind them and their capabilities - if they had the same build quality as Toyota, they’re all I’d ever drive. But they don’t so I don’t.
     
  14. Feb 22, 2021 at 7:09 AM
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    Wanna talk about biased? How about Trail Recon? Decently entertaining channel but man that guy is salesman
     
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  15. Feb 22, 2021 at 7:52 AM
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    So he makes no bones about being a jeep guy and being biased towards jeeps. But he is honest about it and I respect that, which is more than you can say about TFL.

    He did a review of the Taco and I thought it was a reasonable and fair review. Even prefaced it with saying he is biased towards the gladiator.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STbXWhDsnsQ
     
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  16. Feb 22, 2021 at 7:55 AM
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    Oh I dont mind his jeep bias, i’m more referring to his endorsement of accessories and gear
     
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  17. Feb 22, 2021 at 7:57 AM
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    I know, but seems like all the youtubers are businessmen these days:D
     
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  18. Feb 22, 2021 at 8:14 AM
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    I just don't watch them. Watching them promotes them, just like Scotty Kilmer and other BS YT channels. Some, like the Adam Savage BS, that keep popping up, I will load it long enough to give it a down vote.
     
  19. Feb 22, 2021 at 8:28 AM
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    Yes. Many are all selling you something. There are a few honest ones who say “I’m gonna sell you some shit now to pay for this content so here goes the ad”, but those are few.
     
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  20. Feb 22, 2021 at 8:30 AM
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    I am fine with that. Making good videos isn't exactly easy and how many times have videos helped us. for me quite a bit.
     

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