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Total Chaos Arms

Discussion in '1st Gen. Tacomas (1995-2004)' started by Jeepin456, Mar 18, 2011.

  1. Mar 18, 2011 at 6:04 PM
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    Jeepin456

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    I have total chaos arms up front and they are creaking pretty badly especially when I turn the wheel even a little to the left. I took it to the :laser:stealership :fenforcer:since its under warranty, after an afternoon there and many many mechanics looking at it they said everything was fine :der:and that it was a bushing in the TC arms that was the creaker. They say that it is a nylon bushing or something and they dont warranty aftermarket parts even though I bought it that way. They told me to go to a four wheel drive shop to have them look at it and to see if there is a different bushing to put in there. But of course they wont pay for that.:mad: Any thoughts on this or has anyone had this experience with these arms?
     
  2. Mar 18, 2011 at 6:16 PM
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    Not familiar with the TC arms ( have DSM UCA's) Are they greasable? If they are, you probably just have to grease them. I had the same symptom when I first installed them. I used Mobil 1 synthetic.
     
  3. Mar 18, 2011 at 6:18 PM
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    chris4x4

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    If it creaks when turning, its the Uniball. Depending on how many miles are on it, they may need to be replaced. Replacement uniballs are availible from Wheelers off road.
     
  4. Mar 18, 2011 at 6:49 PM
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    Thanks I will check it out... any idea if it is an easy dyi thing? I know my way around a truck but any special tools needed?
     
  5. Mar 18, 2011 at 6:53 PM
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    Its pretty easy. Separate the uniball from the spindle, then remove a "C" clip, and press out the old uniball assembly, then press the new one in. Re torque the bolt to 95#.
     
  6. Mar 18, 2011 at 7:14 PM
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    Anything I should use to press the ball out and in?. I also did some research for anyone else with this prob. There is a dry lubricant that forms a waxy coating that should b used on the uniball and that petroleum based lubricants such as wd40 and oil should not be used since they hold contaminants in. And new uniballs are about 120 to replace
     
  7. Mar 18, 2011 at 7:38 PM
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    As far as I remember the ball is not pressed in. It's just torqued down to 100 or 120 ft lbs (can't remember exaclty).

    The TC UCA's are squeaky. It's normal...brand new out of the box lubed up like a bangkok hooker they are going to squeak.

    There's two zirk fittings at the bottom of each side of the UCA where it mounts. Throw a couple pumps of your fav grease in that. As for the uniball, get this stuff:
    http://www.chaosfab.com/toyaccess_misc.html

    Towards the bottom Super Lube Synthetic Grease
     
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    Definitely worth getting some of that dry lube to see if it corrects the squeak. It may, and its a lot easier that any other solution.
     
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    Damnit. Should have read chris's reply. Torqued to 95 lbs.

    I'm sorry Chris...feel free to report me :annoyed:
     
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    They shouldnt make any noise. All of the ones I have installed, as well as the ones on my truck, are silent.
     
  11. Mar 18, 2011 at 7:47 PM
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    well....i can say this much......if there isnt enough grease on the bushings...they will squeak. i've found it easier to loosen the long main bolt on the uca's and shoot a lil grease between the washers and retighten.
     
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    x2 I use triflow on the uniball, and i greased the inside and outside of the bushings with mobile 1 when I first got them and periodically squirt some grease in the zerks and it has never squeaked once.
     
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    :eek: I guess I've just had the opposite experience. I even called TC about it and they said it's normal with the uni's. Same on my buddies runner. I lube everything up the now and again and it goes away for a bit and always comes back within a few weeks. I'm not a mudder either.

    Oh well....Chris for president. :D
     
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    Now THAT is an idea!!!!! Bushings are TIGHT on the TC UCAs. Be back in 20 minutes guys.
     
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    LOL! Sorry to hear yours are making noise...
     
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    Ok so pulled the bolt on the side that was squeaking. Lubed up ONLY the washers and the bolt...and FML that's all it took (at least for now).



    Chris...I don't care what 4WD says...you're alright in my book! :D
     
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    Good deal man. I gotta do my passenger side....may do it tomorrow.
     
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    Ill have to give it a shot
     
  19. Mar 19, 2011 at 2:24 AM
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    There are a couple problems with using lube(grease) on the uniball at least in my experience(I have TChaos control arms w/ uniball) and what i've been advised by some mechanics, of course it depends whether they are new bushings or not.

    -Putting grease on a new bushing that has a teflon coating can ruin the teflon coating only for the simple reason that the uniball is not covered, so all the dirt and rocks that spit up from your tires gets in the grease and as your suspension travels up and down, the abrasion will wear your teflon coating. The teflon is supposed to eliminate the need for any lubricants. I'm pretty sure as well that the new TC bushings that you get are of a better construction than previous Bushings from TC but im just making that assertion based on the old ones i took out and the new ones i had put in. The new uniballs are a tight fit so they shouldn't wear for quite some time if you clean them regularly. I just clean them out with water to get most of the dirt out and thats about it. Oh and i've also had my new uniballs on now for a year and they do NOT squeek at all at any varying degree.

    -Now if your bushing is worn and the teflon coating is non existent, then grease is your only option for lube. When my old TC bushings were worn , i put a thick grease in them and packed it down, it worked like some have said for a month or so but just gets so annoying to pull out the grease tube every month and pack it down. Of course thats after you clean it out because of all the rocks and dirt that are now caught in the grease. Just sucks. Even after i would reclean it and pack it down i couldn't get alll the dirt out so it just made problems worse and wore them down until i actually had alot of play in them.

    New uniballs with installation are pretty cheap to do at the shop, and i'm sure with the right instruction and tools at home it would be just as easy to do to. Didn't cost me to much to do at a shop. I have money but no time to do that shit at home lol.
     
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    when you put the new ones in how often do you clean them and do you take them out to clean them or you said you dump water on them. but if they are such a good and tight fit how does the water get in there to fluch out the dirt etc.?
     
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