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Toyo AT3’s Alternate Lug Wear

Discussion in '3rd Gen. Tacomas (2016-2023)' started by richiedafish, Oct 17, 2024.

  1. Oct 17, 2024 at 4:18 PM
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    ^^ Going into my second set on the wife's 4Runner.
    Not gonna get them for $200 a tire, especially on the 20" Limited rims, and they're never gonna quite make it to that 80K tread life, but coming from Toyos, they've been a game changer.
     
  2. Oct 17, 2024 at 4:22 PM
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    I’ve had a few sets of them on other vehicles and they’re always awesome all around here in NJ.
     
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    If you're DIY, easiest way I've found to do it is to jack up the side of the truck by the rockslider (or frame if you don't have sliders), and swap the F&R tires on each side (putting just 2 or 3 lugs on each rear). After that I jack up the rear by the differential, swap the rears and then fully tighten all lugs.
     
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    I had the same problem with my 2019 trd OR with original goodyear tires.
    I never has a 4800 lb truck my gen 1 tacoma 2wd and 86 pickup i rotated every 10K . This truck unfortunately requires every 5K .They prorated my tires and the new ones have not developed the cross lug pattern. Criss crossing not required
     
  5. Nov 5, 2024 at 2:13 PM
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    ditched the AT’s for Michelins and couldn’t be happier. The truck is wayyyy quieter, seems peppier, handles better, and rides like what I imagine a Lexus Tacoma would feel like if they made one. At 75mph it feels like a brand new truck.

    I did NOT try to warranty to the toyos. Based on the verbiage in the warranty, I thought at best I could get 50% of purchase price which wasn’t worth the hassle to me. Stay tuned for terrain handling updates.


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    IMHO, too many miles between rotations. They should be rotated every 5-8000. Might not seem like a big difference but, if you rotate them at every oil change it is better for the tire. I have toyo at3 265-70-17 SL BSW and run them about 37-38 psi cold. I do not have the wear you are showing with close to 35000 on them. Ski
     
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    Damn, why so high? A stock F-150 on that size would call for 31. Probably won’t do anything for wear but I bet your handling would be a lot better at 28 psi like stock cross calculates to.
     
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    I know I should have rotated them more, but can anyone scientifically explain how that sort of wear comes from lack of rotation or pressure? It doesn’t make any sense to me how anything I did or didn’t do could cause that wear on all 4 tires.

    also, that pressure seems uncomfortably high.
     
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    its called cupping
     
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    I thought cupping was more random and didn’t follow any particular tread patterns?
     
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    Tire cupping, also known as scalloping, is a type of uneven tire wear that appears as a series of dips or craters in the tread. It can be caused by a number of issues

    cupping or scalloping same difference......those toyos are a soft compound and heard from many that they only get 35k from them
     
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    might also be shocks or alignment
     
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    shock are new as of 10k miles ago, alignment was done then too. If you look at my first picture, you can see it’s only wearing funny on the outer lugs. The middle of the tread is fine. That’s what threw me for a loop.

    how are you getting so many miles out of yours?
     
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    first of all what is the tread depth on yours in the middle? how old?
    i dont have them but have been doing alot of research on the toyos, it will be 1 of 2 choices
     
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    also, how many are doing this?
     
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    All terrains do this, its basically normal.

    The best way to counter it is lower pressures and cross diagonal rotations.

    I rotate mine often and have perfect alignment and my tires are doing the same. It's not a big deal.
     
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    I can't really explain how it happens (and only while they are on the non-driven axle), but I think it has something to do with a resonance within the tire carcass at certain speeds. Frequent rotations using a cross-diagonal pattern keeps the wear more even, but if you don't do it often enough, it can still set in (as you found out).

    As I mentioned before, some tires are much more prone to this than others. Old-school Cooper Discoverer STT tires from the 1990s were the absolute worst tires I've personally seen myself, you pretty much couldn't avoid it period no matter how much you rotated, while the General X3 tires I have on another rig are still fine after almost 15K miles without a rotation(I have been keeping an eye on them though).

    Michelin makes good tires, you probably would be fine continuing with your 10K mile interval on those, but certainly it can't hurt to play it safer and use a 5-8K interval.
     
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    You proved both your query's with utilizing lower pressure, and too long between rotation, with what happened to your tires. The At3's are rated for a max pressure of 44. I typically run all tires approx 10-15% of max air pressure. Might not be for everyone but, works for me. Ski
     
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    I ran them around 30 psi because that’s what the Toyo inflation chart recommended based on the load of the truck.

    https://www.toyotires.com/media/2125/application_of_load_inflation_tables_20170203.pdf

    I still feel nothing I did changed the outcome. I think it has to do with the way the tires are built.
     
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    It’s not the pressure that wore his tires out. Where you’re keeping the pressure in yours is literally enough to carry a 2500.
     

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